Anyone interested in forming a Climbers for Christ Chapter in Phoenix?

Charlie S wrote: Wow, what a tolerant, loving group of leftist illuminati we have here...

You mean intelligentsia.

Tim Stich wrote:

You mean intelligentsia.

Could be both!

This thread is beginning to sound like the angsty rants of my adolescence.

Let the guy do what he wants. No need to act all high and mighty. 

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I agree. It's much better teaching your kids about Hell, Eternal Damnation, the Devil, and all sorts of other good stuff that happens if you don't love the Sky Wizard enough.

Jon Hillis · wrote:
Tim we get it you're a woke dude...

Maybe you get it, but you really can't speak for others. You are going places, I can tell.

And with that, the big, red ban hammer comes down and I can no longer post in this entertaining thread. Toddles!

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Tim Stich wrote: I agree. It's much better teaching your kids about Hell, Eternal Damnation, the Devil, and all sorts of other good stuff that happens if you don't love the Sky Wizard enough.

Tim we get it you're a woke dude... 

The thread has grown quite substantially since I last posted,

  For those who disagree with my theological view point I have no ill intent towards you, and I'd be happy to climb with you regardless if we may have differing beliefs. Yet, I do want to be around those who want to discuss scripture and belief in the Lord Jesus Christ. I can see how some may want to keep climbing and other things separate, but for the believer our world view is Christ centric and even climbing falls underneath that view. (1 Corinthians 10:31) If you have questions about this I'd be willing to talk over coffee etc. Either way, I hope everyone gets some climbing in this weekend!

As far as the “live and let live” or “to each their own” comments go, I fully support those sentiments. If an interracial, gay couple, for example, want to go to town on each other while maxing out on DMT, I fully support their choice and encourage them to do so. But “to each their own” ends when it holds back humanity. Publicly shaming the willfully ignorant is the first step to enlightenment.

I’m not claiming to be enlighten by any means. Only that without religion, humanity would be closer to our pinnacle.

Don Ferris III wrote: As far as the “live and let live” or “to each their own” comments go, I fully support those sentiments. If an interracial, gay couple, for example, want to go to town on each other while maxing out on DMT, I fully support their choice and encourage them to do so. But “to each their own” ends when it holds back humanity. Publicly shaming the willfully ignorant is the first step to enlightenment. 

Are you claiming to be enlightened? The superiority of atheists is one of the most annoying things about them. They seem to pull right from the JW book on I am holier than thou...

Please, be kind. 

Don Ferris III wrote: As far as the “live and let live” or “to each their own” comments go, I fully support those sentiments. If an interracial, gay couple, for example, want to go to town on each other while maxing out on DMT, I fully support their choice and encourage them to do so. But “to each their own” ends when it holds back humanity. Publicly shaming the willfully ignorant is the first step to enlightenment. 

 But what shall we do about the willfully arrogant?

Praise Allah that Anthony is not Abdullah and that he didn’t ask to climb with likeminded Muselman brothers.

Cpn Dunsel wrote:

No and there is a reason why.  You have created something called: A FALSE EQUIVALENCY.  You are using a form of fallacious reasoning.  Spend some time learning by googling logical fallacies and reading up on this dynamic.

People with 9 fingers do not espouse a doctrine they have created for other people on morality and how others should live.

Religion is a toxic mix of ignorance and division masquerading as a positive force.  It is the root cause of all wars, and most of the divisive battle between large groups of human beings.  It cause more problems than it solves.

Now, your question has been answered in civil discourse.  Do you understand the difference now?

WOW YOU'RE SO ELIGHTENED

Dan Daugherty wrote: I'm agnostic and all for having discussion on the fallacies of organized religion, especially when it's at the detriment of others. That's not the case here and all the dude wants is to find like minded climbers to climb with.
Would the folks who are bashing religion on this thread be doing the same if he was looking at forming a club for climbers with only 9 fingers?

9-fingered climbers aren’t trying to convince the 10-fingered people to amputate, and telling the 8-fingered people that they will go to hell, unless they pray really hard, and grow that 9th finger. 

I have nothing against Climbers for Christ, they tend to be nice people, and they serve pancakes on Sunday sometimes. However, I avoid the C4Cs and their pancakes, because they come with the side of “here’s how Jesus can save you”, and the artificial whipped cream and pancake syrup sucks. ;) 

Online is about far enough. I hope OP finds his fellow climbers who need Christ for a climbing threesome, and enjoys their company, without proselytizing to outsiders. Then everyone would be happy. 

Adam Ronchetti wrote: Just posting as someone that was approached by a Climber for Christ. I would advise against talking to people and then concluding the conversation by handing them a card alluding to Jesus being the ultimate belayer. Not sure if that was just the person I was talking to or an organizational thing as a whole.

The person I was talking to was actually a pretty cool guy but that card soured the whole experience. 

Where does Jesus stand on the whole ATC vs. Grigri kerfuffle? 

B 9 wrote:Would a pedeophile group wanting to climb with other pedos be ok?  Would the KKK wanting to climb with other White Supremicists be ok?  

Where is your line?  

Im not “ok” with either pedophile or KKK in general, so I’m not “ok” with pedophile, or KKK climbers. 

But... pedophiles climbing together actually sounds like a good idea, because they aren’t hanging out with kids, when they are climbing together? and if this is a way for some conscientious people who know they have pedophile tendencies, that they aren’t acting out on to use a distraction/redirection and take themselves away from kids’ playground... heck yeah! I’m ok with that. :)

And KKK climbing group... again, as long as KKK exists, and I can’t change that fact, would I rather a bunch of white suprematists went out climbing together, or would I rather they staged an intimidating rally in front of a black church? You bet I’d rather they went climbing together! 

all joking aside, this goes back to the fact that climbers aren’t a monolithic group. Climbers are as diverse as the population they derive from, and as climbing gets bigger and bigger, you would see more and more sub-categories become big enough to organize into subcategory within climbing, just like they do in everyday life. 

Example:There was a time when a local gay climbers group simply couldn’t exist in a meaningful way, because, if LGBT people occur at about 10% rate in a general population, and your local climbing community was a few dozen people, that would mean only couple gay guys, even assuming that they all were out. Now that a climbing community in any large city numbers in 1000s, you could have a meaningful size LGBT climbers group. 

The world is dividing into smaller and smaller groups with more limiting and narrow scope beyond their own little fiefdoms.  This is not a good thing, regardless of the reasons why people need to create a division where one need not exist and only hang with people that are as close to themselves as is possible.

I don’t think the world is only/just now dividing into these categories. Categories existed, but were either hidden or suppressed. 

And I think the majority of people who seek to climb/hang out with a specific subcategory or people are, by default, hanging out with a broader group of people who do not fall into that category for MOST of the time— and that is why they want to, at least occasionally, to hang out with people who are like them in some way. 

However... if there is, in fact, this sort of separation/segregation happening, why is it of a concern to you? If someone doesn’t want to climb with me because my feet stink, or someone doesn’t want to climb with me because they would rather hang out with an LGBT group... at the end of they day, they don’t want yo climb with me, they want to climb with someone else. That’s all there is to it. It’s not up to me to insist that they should climb with me, despite what they want. I’m better off finding people who want yo climb with me, for whatever reason that might be. 

And hey, do any incestuous people want to climb together?  Cuckolded males Unite and conquer satisfy your desire to be humiliated in bed and on the rock!

Again... see above. Incestuous people who commit a crime should be in jail, and not be out climbing with anyone, whether they share their incest fantasy, or not. People who don’t commit any crimes, and don’t force anyone... they can go climb with whoever wants to climb with them, or they can go bowling. Or skiing... or start a bible club. Or hold a cuckhold party. Not a problem. Not a concern for me. 

Señor Arroz wrote:

Where does Jesus stand on the whole ATC vs. Grigri kerfuffle? 

I always pictured Jesus as an old school aid climber, you know, because of the nailing. I think he’s more of a Munter hitch kind of guy.

Anthony Hugo Almanza wrote: Hi I was curious if they're are any other folks who would be interested in creating a Climbers for Christ chapter in Phoenix?
They're seems to be some large chapters in Southern California and Vegas, but unfortunately none here as of yet.

Hope everyones day is going well!

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Anthony, I hope you don't get discouraged from the comments on this thread. I'm also a Christian and I agree that there is benefit in finding a group of like minded Christians to climb with. The people you surround yourself with undoubtedly have an impact on you. I've climbed with some people that are actively involved in Climbers for Christ and they've all been great to climb with. A group meets at the New River Gorge every year during a festival and serves pancakes to climbers for breakfast.