Reslinging C4's with reinforced ultratape?

I'm planning to have a few C4s reslung by Mountain Tools, who will resling C4s with your choice of 15 mm nylon or 12 mm ultratape (both with the doubled reinforcement at the thumb loop).

I'm aware of this page by BD explaining why they chose to sling the C4s with reinforced nylon. But I'm curious if anyone here has had experiences, good or bad, using reinforced ultratape (or other nylon-dyneema blend). My main takeaway from the linked page is that a single loop of any material is not great; but it was less clear to me (maybe I'm missing something?) how much of the issues shown had to do with lack of reinforcement vs the material type vs the width.

I spoke with someone from Mountain Tools who told me anecdotally that a lot of orders do choose to use ultratape and that they haven't heard of any stories of exploding thumb loops in the wild. Any further thoughts/experiences would be appreciated. Thanks!

Reinforced is better than single sling. Adds more material over the thumb loop and keeps the bar tack from sliding around.
It’s also how DB cams come so that seems like the safer choice.
As far as ultratape, I have a web-o-lette made by Mtn Tools (made from ultratape) and it’s great.

To answer your question though, it has to do extra material, not the material itself

Lastly, BD Ultralights use a 12mm(?) nylon dyneema sling (reinforced like C4s)

One more thing, Totems use ultratape and I’ve never had a problem with them

Why are you replacing the slings?

Had my C4s reslung with ultratape via Mtn Tools a couple years back. Have taken a couple dozen falls on them. No thumb loop deformations. Seems to be holding up.

Suburban Roadside wrote: Because you have worn out your 4-year-old slings ? Oh please, you do not NEED TO re-sling your cams, you want to.  A stupid waste of money and resouces but if it makes you believe you are safe, safer or as safe as can be . . . then, by all means, go ahead & waste the money, foul the environment with more discarded plastic and do so proudly in the name of replacing perfectly sound material to help you psychologically believe that you are safe while climbing .

Let's all take advice from the guy whose harder tick is 10a.

Daniel Melnyk wrote:

Let's all take advice from the guy whose harder tick is 10a.

Funny. I do not add to the lists; nor do I add my FAs to the site's other lists,

From 1980 to 2006 I 3rd classed 10s up & down. Thank you for the invitation to school you chump.                                                                                                                               I also climbed every day 300 days a year, for 5 years  - try to match that while buying 3 houses in the Gunks & then retiring to 3 acres in Fairfield county Connecticut in your 50's 

Thanks, Daniel--good point about the UL's being a nylon-dyneema blend. And good to hear the ultratape has been working well on your C4s, Eugenel!

Suburban, these slings are showing significant fuzzing/wear, especially around where the sling contacts the thumb loop and the racking carabiner. I don't like waste either, but these all have at least 8 years of use on them and are starting to show it... Add to that a cam I bootied whose sling is pretty noticeably faded and stiff and it seems like a good time to send some of my more well-loved cams away for a little TLC.

On the topic of waste, if anyone has suggestions for useful/fun things to do with cut retired cam slings, I'm all ears :)

Etha, thank you for the civil response. I think that sling replacement is indicated for the stiff or visibly compromised webbing but that it is a way overblown concern, most well cared for nylon retains all its strength and most of its elasticity for more than ten years. Webbing does not break it cuts.....It is a pet peeve; I Just hate the way climbers are adding to the plastic that is choking the planet.

Daniel Melnyk wrote:

Let's all take advice from the guy whose harder tick is 10a.

Sub road makes (albeit harshly) some valid points. Not sure how hard he climbs has any bearing.

Suburban Roadside wrote: Etha, thank you for the civil response. I think that sling replacement is indicated for the stiff or visibly compromised webbing but that it is a way overblown concern, most well cared for nylon retains all its strength and most of its elasticity for more than ten years. Webbing does not break it cuts.....It is a pet peeve; I Just hate the way climbers are adding to the plastic that is choking the planet.

You're worried about people replacing slings when you claim to have 3 houses? Who is more at fault here?

Suburban Roadside wrote:

Funny. I do not add to the lists; nor do I add my FAs to the site's other lists,

From 1980 to 2006 I 3rd classed 10s up & down. Thank you for the invitation to school you chump.                                                                                                                               I also climbed every day 300 days a year, for 5 years  - try to match that while buying 3 houses in the Gunks & then retiring to 3 acres in Fairfield county Connecticut in your 50's 

So your trustfund matured well... good for you.

Suburban Roadside wrote:

Funny. I do not add to the lists; nor do I add my FAs to the site's other lists,

From 1980 to 2006 I 3rd classed 10s up & down. Thank you for the invitation to school you chump.                                                                                                                               I also climbed every day 300 days a year, for 5 years  - try to match that while buying 3 houses in the Gunks & then retiring to 3 acres in Fairfield county Connecticut in your 50's

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!
I'm still praying for you, Gnome

The housing industry is terrible for the environment lmao; much more so than re slinging some cams. Roofing (shingles) is nothing more than material made out of excess waste of other businesses.

An entire river in my hometown is no longer usable for swimming because of all the toxic runoff going into it. 1 of 2 major factors for its condition is because of people over fertilizing their lawns.

You sound like an old man that sinned his whole life; but now goes to church asking for redemption(and you expect others to behave the way that you haven't)

Well, this one didn't take long to go to shit.

Robert S wrote: Well, this one didn't take long to go to shit.

Seems about right. OP answered in the first 3-4 comments, then 6 pages of the mp outhouse being over filled-

Daniel Melnyk wrote:

You're worried about people replacing slings when you claim to have 3 houses? Who is more at fault here?

he claimed to have bought three houses... not owned three simultaneously. why the dick attitude?

Suburban Roadside wrote:

Funny. I do not add to the lists; nor do I add my FAs to the site's other lists,

From 1980 to 2006 I 3rd classed 10s up & down. Thank you for the invitation to school you chump.                                                                                                                               I also climbed every day 300 days a year, for 5 years  - try to match that while buying 3 houses in the Gunks & then retiring to 3 acres in Fairfield county Connecticut in your 50's 

Id take a half acre near New Paltz over 50 in Fairfield myself. I think you did it the wrong way.

Troll over.

Chris Blatchley wrote:

he claimed to have bought three houses... not owned three simultaneously. why the dick attitude?

The OP asked a legit question, seeking a real answer and his response was to give a rude and unhelpful answer. (Which he changed but I quoted it so you can still read it)

Instead of reslinging, why not just hack off the old sling and use a quick draw instead

John Kelly wrote: Instead of reslinging, why not just hack off the old sling and use a quick draw instead

Wire likely to get tweaked if fallen on.