roy Roy ROY!

I'll leave the ethical/legal debates to others but given that the climbing at Roy is completely surrounded by cattle ranches I'd say it's a safe bet that the individual(s) responsible for setting the traps are doing so in the name of predator control in an effort to protect their livelihoods. 

Joel Thompson wrote: I'll leave the ethical/legal debates to others but given that the climbing at Roy is completely surrounded by cattle ranches I'd say it's a safe bet that the individual(s) responsible for setting the traps are doing so in the name of predator control in an effort to protect their livelihoods. 

They have cows right? So they must be trapping wolves?  

wow, I don't what is scarier the wolves or the traps :O

Fehim Hasecic wrote:
And this is why Trump will win again.

So conversely, if all the hippie liberals get into trapping denizens of the deserts cuz 'predator control', then Trumpo won't win! Yay!!!!

thanks for the tip Boulder homie

Karen Hammersmith wrote:

They have cows right? So they must be trapping wolves?  

wow, I don't what is scarier the wolves or the traps :O

Good god...I’m not sure if this poster is a troll, but there are no wolves on the Kiowa Grasslands. Also, wolves are protected, so you cannot intentionally trap them, although one can shoot wolves if they prey on livestock.

Karen Hammersmith wrote:

So conversely, if all the hippie liberals get into trapping denizens of the deserts cuz 'predator control', then Trumpo won't win! Yay!!!!

thanks for the tip Boulder homie

You’ve probably smashed more denizens of desert by driving your Prius off road then the pictured trap. My tip to you would be to drive on the road instead 

the schmuck wrote: Good god...I’m not sure if this poster is a troll, but there are no wolves on the Kiowa Grasslands. Also, wolves are protected, so you cannot intentionally trap them, although one can shoot wolves if they prey on livestock.

I'm not a troll!  I am simply dumbfounded that I have to keep my dog a leash, take poop home and drive in monster truck ruts cuz 'tread lightly' but Mr Rancher who rents 'his' land from tax payers like me can set traps pretty much wherever he wants on public lands.

So what kind of predators are the ranchers controlling if not wolves? mountain lions?!

Fuck...I hate to feed the troll, but just in case anyone cares, in NM anyone can trap for unprotected “fur bearing” species. Fur bearing species are raccoon, coyote, bobcat, skunk, badger, ringtail, otter, nutria and beaver. I probably missed a few. Yes, a rancher can trap to protect livestock, but I don’t think that is happening at Roy. 

Just trigger the traps with a stick and then bury them somewhere else. Fucking rancher morons.

Tim Stich wrote: Just trigger the traps with a stick and then bury them somewhere else. Fucking rancher morons.

I agree, but it is a misdemeanor to do this. Again, I don’t think that the ranchers are setting the traps. My bet is on a recreational trapper(s)

I should have clarified, my dog didn't get snagged at Roy. I haven't been there in years. I was just expressing the real danger of traps. I never really gave them much thought but the experience has me a little on guard now. I never leash my dogs unless it's required and most my climbing friends are the same so it was meant as a friendly PSA

Thread about LNT at Roy?

the schmuck wrote:

I agree, but it is a misdemeanor to do this. Again, I don’t think that the ranchers are setting the traps. My bet is on a recreational trapper(s)

Lots of things are misdemeanors.

the schmuck wrote:

I agree, but it is a misdemeanor to do this. Again, I don’t think that the ranchers are setting the traps. My bet is on a recreational trapper(s)

The trapper is also required to have his information attached to each individual trap. If  that info is not there, it's booty!

My dog got caught in one with no info attached, so I took it home and used a grinder to render it into a pile of scrap.

Karen Hammersmith wrote:

I'm not a troll!  I am simply dumbfounded that I have to keep my dog a leash, take poop home and drive in monster truck ruts cuz 'tread lightly' but Mr Rancher who rents 'his' land from tax payers like me can set traps pretty much wherever he wants on public lands.

So what kind of predators are the ranchers controlling if not wolves? mountain lions?!

coyotes.

the schmuck wrote: Good god...I’m not sure if this poster is a troll, but there are no wolves on the Kiowa Grasslands. Also, wolves are protected, so you cannot intentionally trap them, although one can shoot wolves if they prey on livestock.

Are you basing off of experience or otherwise? Genuinely curious as it seems it would be a very suitable environment for Mexican Grey Wolves. 

They were reintroduced in the Gila. Their range is not that big. I am pretty certain that they didn’t migrate from SW NM to NE NM. 

grog m wrote: How to be from Crowdorado:
Step 1. Move in from out of state for "Hella good access"
Step 2. Realize access isn't that good, and what is close is blue ski runs and 2 star choss piles.
Step 3. Drive to Roy/Indian Creek/Wyoming/out of state to climb
Step 4. Complain about crowds/environmental ethics.
Step 5. Spray about Boulder (aka center of the universe).

I live in Pueblo, am I allowed to climb in New Mexico?

highaltitudeflatulentexpulsion wrote:

I live in Pueblo, am I allowed to be climb in New Mexico?

no

the schmuck wrote:

no

I won't tell anyone and nobody listens to me anyway.

highaltitudeflatulentexpulsion wrote:

I won't tell anyone and nobody listens to me anyway.

Maybe?

316 SS Wedgie wrote: I have never seen a more butthurt bunch of climbers. No one is travelling across the country to pull on pebbles at your rinkydink local chosspile. Quit bitching.

 I met people 15 years ago driving 8 hours from CO to UT to proj pebbles for the day so uhh ....