roy Roy ROY!

Robert Hernandez wrote: I am much more concerned about Owens future plans of colonial exploit. What do us local folk need to learn next? Perhaps the stupid New Mexicans need to be told about the sport climbing areas up north that have been published in guides for the last 20 years. I am sure many of us can’t wait for sprinter vans rediscovering climbing areas that used to be empty. Thank god someone is taking up the white mans burden once again! I mean, how horrible would it be to let areas with access issues, a history of  ethnic disputes, and sensitive environments not be sprayed about? It would be unconscionable and down right barbaric; wandering around a boulder-field without the instantly downloadable beta, grades, and pics. No civilized person could  survive such circumstances I am sure.

One always wonders what motivation drives the exploiters.

Robert Hernandez wrote: I am much more concerned about Owens future plans of colonial exploit. What do us local folk need to learn next? Perhaps the stupid New Mexicans need to be told about the sport climbing areas up north that have been published in guides for the last 20 years. I am sure many of us can’t wait for sprinter vans rediscovering climbing areas that used to be empty. Thank god someone is taking up the white mans burden once again! I mean, how horrible would it be to let areas with access issues, a history of  ethnic disputes, and sensitive environments not be sprayed about? It would be unconscionable and down right barbaric; wandering around a boulder-field without the instantly downloadable beta, grades, and pics. No civilized person could  survive such circumstances I am sure.

yyyeeeeeaaaahhhhhhhhhh, how are those visiting Roy supposed to know about any of these disputes if they are not from the surrounding area....

I climbed in the Jumbles today from about 9:00-500...saw 3 other people the entire day which is about my usual experience there.

I just doubt that it lives up to the hype.

Robert Hernandez and his usual drama Queen act.

Joel Thompson wrote: I climbed in the Jumbles today from about 9:00-500...saw 3 other people the entire day which is about my usual experience there.

On a Friday-Sunday that is an anomaly. So if this is actually your “usual” experience we should climb together ;)

M Mobes wrote:

Kids, dogs, the whole crew! Tread lightly though!

So I drive a Prius and I drove all the way to the Jumbles with it!  The parking lot scene is hella-cool! no rules or stupid ranger types.  

But, some front range trustfunder in a big truck yelled at me for driving on the grass and not in the ruts on the way in.  Well guess what Mr Special, not all of us have a monster truck to drive in ruts!  My Prius gets 50mpg so I think that is treading more lightly!!!

Karen Hammersmith wrote: But, some front range trustfunder in a big truck yelled at me for driving on the grass and not in the ruts on the way in.  

Did he have Colorado plates?

Tim Stich wrote:

Did he have Colorado plates?

That’s a given

@Jordan Pitts:
Traps are no joke. One of my dogs got snagged by one last week(it was baited) and fortunately I got to her fast and she is fine. Most horrible scream I've ever heard. The look on her face broke my heart. Be safe everyone

Yep, Colorado plates and self-righteous attitude to match!

My 2 year old had a lot of fun playing with rocks while we bouldered.  Weird at camp tho cuz this other guy told me to pack out our poop?!

He wears cloth diapers, so not a problem. But, I've never done this, I learned to just bury it deep or use the NOLS 'paste and smear' method to dry it in the sun.

These Wag Bags things are super expensive.  Ideas?

Those traps are truly horrifying!!!!

WTF is wrong with these inbred hillbilly ranchers that trap poor desert animals for fun?! how is watching an animal gnaw it's leg off fun??

I am so worried now that my boy or my lab will get caught in one of these terrible machines :(

I tried to find a copy of the Summerscales guidebook but couldn't find one. Ideas?

If Karen Hammersmith is a real person and not a troll, I just want to point out that she is from New Mexico and NOT Boulder.

Karen Hammersmith wrote:

WTF is wrong with these inbred hillbilly ranchers that trap poor desert animals for fun?! how is watching an animal gnaw it's leg off fun??

And this is why Trump will win again.

thomas ellis wrote: @Jordan Pitts:
Traps are no joke. One of my dogs got snagged by one last week(it was baited) and fortunately I got to her fast and she is fine. Most horrible scream I've ever heard. The look on her face broke my heart. Be safe everyone

if you are so inclined you can report the incident here: trapfreenm.org/new-mexico-t…

Thanks for the link. I was able to report the incident.

The pictured trap is not dangerous except maybe as a trip hazard. Was it set when you found it and then you tripped it? That would be violation of New Mexico Law (Chapter 17-2-7.1, NMSA 1978). And the trapped dog was on a leash, right? If there was something illegal about the trap set, the owner of that trap would be a poacher and you are encouraged to report that here...Operation Game Thief: 1-800-432-4263 

Leashes are not required in the back country. At least where I was. First time in 27 years hiking in New Mexico I encountered a trap. Leaves an impression 

thomas ellis wrote: Leashes are not required in the back country. At least where I was. First time in 27 years hiking in New Mexico I encountered a trap. Leaves an impression 

What constitutes a "back country"?

J T wrote:

What constitutes a "back country"?

Leashes are not required on all National Forrest and National Grasslands unless there are specific regulations for that specific area saying otherwise. This does not mean that they may not be a good idea, but they are not required by law on these lands in general. 

Traps are terrifying and indiscriminate.  In NM they can be placed anywhere as long as it is at least 25 yards from an official trail, which is a trail that is maintained and documented by the managing agency. 

the schmuck wrote:

Leashes are not required on all National Forrest and National Grasslands unless there are specific regulations for that specific area saying otherwise. This does not mean that they may not be a good idea, but they are not required by law on these lands in general. 

Traps are terrifying and indiscriminate. 

Usually with no leash rules you must maintain control of the beast.

I lived in NM for about a year and came across three traps in that time. Never seen one since.