Stop Making Movies About White Guys Doing Cool Shit: The Sequel

I know one dude who solos 5.9 hands in the Valley a lot... Pretty sure he wasn't white. 

Ma Ja wrote: If it wasnt for white males, modern rock climbing as we know it would arrive in 2120. No one else on earth is insane enough to blindly pursue pointless, life endangering activities for sport.

Ha ha ha. You need to get around the world more often.

Jon Hillis wrote: I know one dude who solos 5.9 hands in the Valley a lot... Pretty sure he wasn't white. 

nice

#inb4thebin

Tim Stich wrote:

Ha ha ha. You need to get around the world more often.

Looks super modern.

How long until this thread is locked or deleted? Any predictions?

FrankPS wrote: How long until this thread is locked or deleted? Any predictions?

By 11:59 PM PST

Paul Morrison wrote: I'm always amused, albeit wryly, by people who've never had to work in a cotton field or sweatshop

huh.

I wonder why is matters what colour people are when they do stuff?

I want to be the first orangey/red/patchy white/sun spot blemished human to climb that V2 at my local gym with the wickid crimpy crimpers...

https://www.mountainproject.com/forum/topic/118139274/first-black-woman-to-climb-the-nose-chelsea-griffie-or-emily-taylor

Carl Schneider wrote: I wonder why is matters what colour people are when they do stuff?

I want to be the first orangey/red/patchy white/sun spot blemished human to climb that V2 at my local gym with the wickid crimpy crimpers...

https://www.mountainproject.com/forum/topic/118139274/first-black-woman-to-climb-the-nose-chelsea-griffie-or-emily-taylor

Whatever Trump can't climb V2. Nice try 

Serious talk for a second. Look at old pictures of popular professional sports. Basketball baseball football. Theres no diversity at all. It was because of actual segregation and discrimination  back then. Not perceived. Now look at these sports. Pretty much dominated by people of a dark complexion.

Climbing is just really starting to come out of the basement and into the main stream. I say give it a few years and see what happens. Won't be long before we got brothers standing on the podium winning those golds.

If the author only wants to see segregation when watching climbing movies like Rotpunk that will be her perception. Maybe instead of focusing on gender and skin color she could learn some tolerance. If she wasn't so hyper focused on trying to manufacture outrage at the lack of diversity she could experience the joy of watching people achieve their goals. She's a hypocrite of the highest order.

The rocks don't give a fuck what color you are or how you gender identify. Go climb if that's what you love. Or make movies about brown skin girls climbing if that's what you wanna see. No one's making her watch these movies of white dudes doing cool shit. If you don't wanna see them don't watch them.  

Anaheed should see this: https://rockandice.com/videos/climbing/finding-fidi/

The stories are out there. A climber who recognizes the issues Anaheed points out, yet finds common ground in climbing.

Well that was quite the chip on the shoulder. I'm sorry I clicked on it, but I had to know what you guys were talking about! I'm not sorry I clicked on La MoMoface's link/video on page 1:

​https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZEV2cU44w8&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR0_ccN2Q0wFIuCimw560x72iyiKmixay8hJhT97pEMWFTktzdhTn8YqYNY​​​

That was worth it.

we need to talk about the real problem in professional climbing-- how attractive people can get videos/sponsorship despite only being able to climb 5.14-... 

Guys, do you have any idea how hard it is to take a degree in feminist gender studies and figure out how to pay the rent?
No you don't. Because all you ever think about is perpetuating the old white cis male paradigm by having jobs and owning shit. 

caughtinside wrote: 
Although, there are rumblings of unhappiness about the Pretty Strong movie because it's not feminist enough.  This despite the Kickstarter page noting that they were making a film about women climbers... and nothing else.  A friend pointed me to Melise's insta stories about that.

The modern far-far-left social justice or diversity/equity/inclusion movement is a religion. They repeat the same sermons and repent the same sins again and again. It's why all these online posts and the resulting threads run together. And people like the author, or Monahan, or Melise, are the equivalent of the huckster televangelist preachers preening their online social peacock feathers while fleecing their congregants out of dollars, likes, and attention.

I'm not talking about reasonable left-wing feminist folks like Lena Chita, who contributes nuanced progressive views to these discussions. I'm talking about the crowd at Melanin Basecamp, Terra Incognita, #wontTakeShift, etc who insist that climbing (like basically every facet of modern life in the western world) is a racist, sexist, and oppressively capitalist rigged system.

Among other religious beliefs (ie unfalsifiable pillars of the cult, not supported by empiricism):

-Any inequality of outcome or participation rate can only exist due to some kind of oppression

-Bodies can be healthy at any size (level of bodyfat) and claims to the contrary are a form of immoral shaming.

-Biological differences in aptitudes between men and women don't exist


-There is no such thing as objective fact or reality, there are merely "lenses of oppression" through which groups view the world

- Identity Epistomology is  real thing, meaning what you know, what you can know, and how you know it, is a function primarily of what you look like or who you want to f&%K.

- "White fragility" is the only, or primary, reason that a white person doesn't want to be called a racist or complicit in racism. Any objection to the validity of the White Fragility theory is proof of the validity of the White Fragility theory.

-"Whiteness" is a useful all-encompassing term describing nearly everyone in 2019 with light-ish skin, but calling some cultural trait "Black" or "native america" is immoral and is an inaccurate racial stereotype.


There are a bunch of other related religious beliefs that are clung to and oft-repeated like the lord's prayer in sunday school. They too have little or no solid evidence, but they align with the general mood affiliation of the congregants who want to read them or be outraged by them or blame another group for them:

- We are in the midst of a epidemic of killings of trans women

- Women are paid 77% as much as men for the same work

- Traditional hunter-gatherer societies all exemplified women's rights, environmental protection, minority rights, nonviolence, and justice.

-Only northern/western europe and the USA have colonial histories of oppressing weaker nations.

- The atlantic slave trade was dominated by the USA or caused by the USA.

- The USA's modern wealth and living standard is due to the existence of slavery for its first 80 years.

-The planet will be largely uninhabitable due to global warming in 15-20yrs.

Hobo Greg wrote: A REAL social justice warrior once said "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character."

Well that hasn't happened yet, not even close. Black applicants with identical resumes have lower odds of getting a job interview than white applicants, even when the identical white applicants have a criminal record. And whens the last time you, I or another white guy got followed around a store simply because of the color of our skin.

That's why it's important to still have these conversation in 2019.

-Any inequality of outcome or participation rate can only exist due to some kind of oppression

Have fun explaining that to underwriters in financial services

I think the author needs to understand that its not a zero sum game.

There are also plenty of films on non-white climbers, though not all of them are in English.  One of my favorite climbers David Lama was literally sponsored by the two biggest names in sports, TNF and Redbull.  I would say he was well embraced by everyone.

Paul Morrison wrote: I'm always amused, albeit wryly, by people who've never had to work in a cotton field or sweatshop or any other difficult and dangerous place and who have lots of leisure for writing articles about how oppressive and unfair everything is.

Implying that working in a cotton field or sweatshop is the only thing in the world that is unfair or oppressive?  Free time to write articles and oppressive systems are not mutually exclusive.