The Untold Benefits of CBD Oil for Outdoor Athletes

bus driver wrote: My impression from the reading ive done is that CBD promotes proper homeostasis of your cells. ie. it helps out of whack cells act more as they should.  The mechanism may be through the signaling to the cells.  

It's good to know that the exact biochemical mechanism is now thoroughly understood. Can we lock this thread now in the face of this exhaustive, detailed, validated knowledge?

In other news, filling your car tires with N2 reduces emissions while improving power, fuel economy, and radio reception.

Dana Bartlett wrote:

Incorrect and simplistic.

Cup away that coronary thrombus, brah. What’s the problem?

Ticklestone wrote:

In the 1700s, this statement made sense-- nutritional+pharmaceutical sciences were pretty immature. It was around the 1900s that going to the doctor starting doing more good than harm. 

I think that most people these days are happy that regulatory agencies exist with oversight over food and drugs...

Ticklestone wrote:

Thoughts on vaccines? 

Thanks Dixon. I have never looked that up. I just saw it at a girlfriends house and thought "ya, summin like dat." Glad to see the fact checkers hard at work.

I have no problem with regulatory agencies ensuring products contain what they say they contain. When it comes to legislating what one puts in any orifice of one's own body I hole heartedly agree w snoopes interpretation:

"he was suggesting that legislating morality was as futile as legislating what a person might swallow."

Vaccines, the Trump of any health care discussion. Lies, conspiracy theories, and idiots coming out every crack. My kids are fully vaccinated. The vast majority should be. Quite simple really. Equally simple with natural medicines. No reason one should be restricted from injesting chemicals just because they were grown rather than synthesized in a lab.

Kevin Hovey wrote: Real athletes use DMSO: https://www.ozy.com/the-huddle/the-horse-drug-that-sports-teams-used-on-their-players/72346

I used to rub this crap all over my legs when I was 17 and running marathons.  

ugh......that shit stinks. whenever my wife used it on her horse i knew imediately. it gets into their system and you can totally smell it when they exhale.....smells kinda like the horse had too much italian food overdone with garlic.....

“Mark Dixon is a badass.”
- Thomas Jefferson

I’ll refrain from voicing my opinion on CBD oil here, other than to say I’m eager for there to be a valid scientific consensus...

...but I do want to offer a reminder to everyone here that when it comes to medical advice:

I respect that Brent Kelly. Wondering if Dixon did the same when he googled my quote. Or did he just latch onto snopes because that's the point he wanted to make.

The google also tells me: Jefferson's statement in Notes on the State of Virginia, "Was the government to prescribe to us our medicine and diet, our bodies would be in such keeping as our souls are now." I didn't see any mention of that in the snoopes page.

"I’ll refrain from voicing my opinion on CBD oil here."

You sir should be banned from MP. How dare you refrain from discussing the original topic while cunningly hiding you opinion of the topic.

@Ticklestone-
I have no opinion on CBD.
FWIW, I think most drugs should be legal and available OTC.
But the Jefferson quote just seemed off to me, so I checked Snopes.
(Isn’t the quote you highlight above included at the end of the longer passage that Snopes quotes?)
Their interpretation of the passage also doesn’t quite sit right with me, but I’m not motivated enough to chase down the original. 

Cannabinoids are the shit, if you haven't gotten on the boat yet you should consider it. Hyper focus, quick recovery and the munchies are the main side effects I've encountered from full spectrum CBD products. Humans evolved with cannabis over 4000 years of righteousness my breddren. Every human is born with an endo-cannabinoid system. Your body is begging for this stuff duh! Jah Bless!

I think CBD is something thats is good for certain ailments and youre of course not going to OD. So no risk for trying it. but I feel like lots of folk are flushing their money down the toilet. Alot of it is placebo effect and if it makes you think its helping, well keep on riding that high. Or lack there of.
https://open.spotify.com/episode/1t9xpsHGHfGxuRFso39Wc8?si=0CPMGHwFRcyagfwgZ_cubA
Science vs CBD wonder drug?

I'm not so sure there is anything "untold" about CBD products. I'm pretty sure I have heard all about them time and time again.

hunter konchan wrote: Cannabinoids are the shit, if you haven't gotten on the boat yet you should consider it. Hyper focus, quick recovery and the munchies are the main side effects I've encountered from full spectrum CBD products. Humans evolved with cannabis over 4000 years of righteousness my breddren. Every human is born with an endo-cannabinoid system. Your body is begging for this stuff duh! Jah Bless!

- Colorado

thalidomide, and a whole list of other FDA approved chemicals which were/are deemed safe and Rxd like candy... while locking people up for smokimg weed. I'd say TJ was pretty spot on.

Ticklestone wrote:

Thomas Jefferson was a rapist and is credited for saying 1000's of things he didn't actually say. He also died in debt.

1st) Screwed my knee up hiking up a canyon in Red Rocks. Could barely walk, knee was significantly swollen.

2nd) Went to my Dr, a highly regarded MD who has a hospital practice. He said (paraphrased): "Too bad/so sad, you have arthritus" (and bursitus I later learned from the PT.) Xray confirmation -"nothing you can do about it sucks to be you".

3rd) 1 rubbed CBD oil on it for @ 1 month near daily. Did nothing. Not a damned thing. It had seemed to help the 15 year old dog earlier, didn't help me. Felt nothing, did nothing.

4th and FINALLY!) Went to a skilled Physical Therapist, she who had a PhD in the subject. After an exam she says (paraphrased): "Oh we can fix that shit, see the same shit all the time in athletes, you have muscle imbalances and your ass cheek muscle isn't firing do these exercises". So I did, finally, the damn unrepairable knee is getting better, month @ 6 of PT. Going climbing today in fact, waiting for buddy to show right now.

As an aside, years back I used the good Dr of Chiropractic Layton above as he needed to have actual patients to graduate. He started in with a full exam which I tried to tell him I didn't need. He said (paraphrasing) "humor me". Damned if he didn't find some muscle imbalances as well (which I tried to address via exercises at the time). He's a good doc, a good climber, and a good person.... or was before he moved away - the point is that he's a person worth listening to carefully. Dude has a couple of solid books that would be worthwhile to anyone interested, I'd bought the first one and it was a valuable read, Link to the last/most recent one; https://www.amazon.com/Climbing-Stronger-Faster-Healthier-Beyond/dp/149965667X/ref=sr_1_fkmr1_1?keywords=mike+clayton+climbing&qid=1575906787&s=books&sr=8-1-fkmr1

So my point is it seems the best path is to start with the skilled highly trained people and work your way over to trial and error with diet/CBD/alternative therapies if the scientific types can't help you out.

So, do studies show my addiction to my morning coffee as harmful, or beneficial?

Don't underestimate or belittle "placebo effect". That, has finally been studied more, as to how ​it works. That it does, is well known and a benchmark to measure all other drugs against. Figuring out how to ethically make it happen is the problem. Our brain chemistry is amazing, what little we understand.

Not everything works the same for everybody. Hence all that fine print on your meds and a host of "off label" uses. As individuals, we have to decide what to try...or not. That, is a study of one, and the one study that counts. All the other studies are preliminary until you know what works for you.

That said? What is the most effective treatment for my arthritic knees, by far? And almost everything else out there?

Lose weight.

Exercise.

Eat real food, not too much, mostly plants.

But hey, I have yet to get a scrip written that says that. Nor is it covered by my health insurance. Corticosteroid injections are. Topical CBD is not. I'm not doing either, but I'll try the least harmful option first, if it gets to it.

And keep climbing. Best treatment of all, for me. Motivation to do the other stuff that will keep me going.

Best, Helen

EDIT to reply to Billcoe, yes! to a doc for mechanical breakdowns, and PT too (uh, exercise thing again). But, there are other things also. Some may work, some may not. 

Old lady H wrote:

 

I'm in Idaho, where no form of cannabis is legal. Even (fully legal) hemp grown for fiber and all the many uses it is great for. They are working on figuring out the hemp thing, because, well, because it's approved by the Dept. of Agriculture. Sooooo embarrassing, sometimes.

I have arthritis, and have done my research. My options from mainstream pharma are grim. The product that might work, with no side effects? I can't even try. Sigh.

Best, Helen

Helen CBD is legal in Idaho, it just cant have THC in it. You can try it. But I agree physical therapy is the way to go with helping with any  musculoskeletal injuries. professional athletes have lots of access to this ,which could skew results of any cbd study done with them.

It sucks you have to go to a doctor sometimes to get a referral to go, because lots of doctors are trash when it comes to treating injuries like this because they lack the training PT do.

I sent all my buddies to PT and all of them improved vs ones we treated at the clinic with NSAIDs, steroids or muscle relaxers.

And I agree placebo effect can help people feel better. like anti depressants are mostly placebo for the first two weeks in taking them because your body takes that long to balance out our hormones. But many folk claim feeling better within the first few days in taking them.
I just dont like people taking advantage of vulnerable people because they want money.