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How to tell if the sandstone is dry

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Charlie Martz · · Fort Collins · Joined May 2017 · Points: 45

Want some clarification so I don't ruin any lovely rock. I spent some time today driving around the moab area looking for routes that were free of snow (on the face and up top) and found one or two prospects.

If it was in the sun all day today these routes should be okay to climb tomorrow after a few hours of sun right? I have heard the saying about if the dirt is wet don't climb, but with all the snow melting it seems like the dirt will be wet longer than the rock.

This train of thought makes sense to me, but I haven't found much online about climbing after snowfall, just after rain.

Kip Kasper · · Bozeman, MT · Joined Feb 2010 · Points: 200

Chances are very high that it won’t be dry. 

Charlie Martz · · Fort Collins · Joined May 2017 · Points: 45

Any way to tell besides the dirt? 

mike h · · Front Range, CO · Joined Jun 2010 · Points: 70

If you're serious about wanting to do the right thing, I'd go into pagan mountaineering in the morning, tell them your plan, and be willing to bail if they say it's not a good idea. Getting the opinion of locals who know the conditions and recent weather history makes more sense than asking randos from the internet.

Charlie Martz · · Fort Collins · Joined May 2017 · Points: 45

Will do thanks

PNW Choss · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Sep 2019 · Points: 0

Climb it. If it crumbles apart it was to wet. For real tho if you gotta ask it's best to error on cautious side and just hit a gym.  

Im Sorry · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Sep 2015 · Points: 20

Stick your dick in it.  If you meet resistance and “ouch that hurts!” It’s dry!!

Tradiban · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Apr 2004 · Points: 11,610
Charlie Martz wrote: Want some clarification so I don't ruin any lovely rock. I spent some time today driving around the moab area looking for routes that were free of snow (on the face and up top) and found one or two prospects.

If it was in the sun all day today these routes should be okay to climb tomorrow after a few hours of sun right? I have heard the saying about if the dirt is wet don't climb, but with all the snow melting it seems like the dirt will be wet longer than the rock.

This train of thought makes sense to me, but I haven't found much online about climbing after snowfall, just after rain.

If you have to ask...

...the locals will lynch you.

Mike Lane · · AnCapistan · Joined Jan 2006 · Points: 880

If you can climb the pitch with ice tools it's too wet.

Marc801 C · · Sandy, Utah · Joined Feb 2014 · Points: 65

If you pee on the rock at the base, if it's absorbed, it's dry. If it bounces off and soaks your shoes, it's too wet.

Ted Pinson · · Chicago, IL · Joined Jul 2014 · Points: 252

Is that real advice, lol?  Sometimes I feel like the wet rock tests boil down to that.  Just spent last weekend not climbing in Moab so I feel the pain...but also agree that in the long run, it’s better to err on the side of caution.

Tim Watts · · Colorado & Corsica · Joined Jan 2013 · Points: 45

kick the dirt (find dry dirt), needs to fly 10 feet. Like Kip said, prob not dry

Benjamin Chapman · · Small Town, USA · Joined Jan 2007 · Points: 19,755

Charlie...wet is wet. Not a difficult concept. If the soil/dirt at the base of the climb is wet, then the rock on the route is likely too damp to climb. 

Marc801 C · · Sandy, Utah · Joined Feb 2014 · Points: 65
Ted Pinson wrote: Is that real advice, lol?

You youngsters have little concept of parody and satire.

TaylorP · · Pump Haus, Sonora · Joined Oct 2016 · Points: 50

Charlie, go back to CO ya gumby

Charlie Martz · · Fort Collins · Joined May 2017 · Points: 45
TaylorP wrote: Charlie, go back to CO ya gumby

Roasted

cassondra l · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Nov 2008 · Points: 335
Marc801 C wrote: If you pee on the rock at the base, if it's absorbed, it's dry. If it bounces off and soaks your shoes, it's too wet.

I wish that people asking about climbing after rain in Red Rock would use this method. 

Jack C · · Tennessee · Joined Mar 2013 · Points: 325

"f you pee on the rock at the base, if it's absorbed, it's dry. If it bounces off and soaks your shoes, it's too wet."

cassondra l wrote:

I wish that people asking about climbing after rain in Red Rock would use this method. 

Already smells enough like urine there. I'm hesitant to encourage this.

Charlie Martz · · Fort Collins · Joined May 2017 · Points: 45
Josh C wrote: Look at what happened to Jah Man. Word on the street is someone from Denver came to Moab and climbed it when they thought it was dry, but still wet.

What happened to Jah Man? I haven't climbed it/been up to date with any events.

Marc801 C · · Sandy, Utah · Joined Feb 2014 · Points: 65
Charlie Martz wrote:

What happened to Jah Man? I haven't climbed it/been up to date with any events.

The first pitch flake which formed the chimney fell off. There's a thread here about it: https://www.mountainproject.com/forum/topic/118245304/rock-fall-jah-man-sister-superior

Guideline #1: Don't be a jerk.

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