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bus driver wrote: Who is cooler?
Sober people who hold their noses up at people who like to consume drugs and /or alcohol Or, people who like to consume alcohol and drugs to hold their noses up at folks who like to be sober?  

Neither.  

Not unless you are climbing trad. Then both are cooler.

You are way  cooler  if you stay active  and get to  teach your  grandchildren how to  climb  than you are if you check out early in a blaze of glory...

I am 110% certain that you are wrong.  Nothing cool about  drowning in your own vomit. 

Nick Goldsmith wrote: You are way  cooler  if you stay active  and get to  teach your  grandchildren how to  climb  than you are if you check out early in a blaze of glory...

I’m 110% certain that the coolest people in history all died at or before they turned 30.

Todd Rolland Oren Lance Lockner wrote:

I’m 110% certain that the coolest people in history all died at or before they turned 30.

A lot of my heroes are dead drug addicts and alcoholics. I get this statement but living that way sucks. I've been clean and sober for 11 years and have found no shortage of fun or adventure. 

C Archibolt wrote:

A lot of my heroes are dead drug addicts and alcoholics. I get this statement but living that way sucks. I've been clean and sober for 11 years and have found no shortage of fun or adventure. 

I’m also much too old to be cool.

TR only Limestone Lover wrote:

LMFTFY

Heeey, Your Initials spell, TROLL!

TR only Limestone Lover wrote:

I’m 110% certain that the coolest people in history all died at or before they turned 30.

To be exact, they died at 27... Forever 27...

Nick Goldsmith wrote: You are way  cooler  if you stay active  and get to  teach your  grandchildren how to  climb  than you are if you check out early in a blaze of glory...

I am 110% certain that you are wrong.  Nothing cool about  drowning in your own vomit. 

So liking to “consume drugs and alcohol” = sure death by “drowning in your own vomit” ?

Timothy Keenan wrote:

Did you read the study I linked for you? Please do. Then google how much anheuser busch inbev spends on marketing...oh hell, I will...1.53 billion in 2018...sheep.

Your tortured hero/artists that died far too young? Consider that they were tortured because they consumed alcohol/took drugs and not that because they were tortured they consumed them. I know I won't change your mind...its your right...you make your own decisions right? A: see above on marketing $

There will come a day when society views drinking the same way we do smoking: a stupid thing to do that needlessly risks your life.   

Nah, smoking is still pretty cool too.  

Timothy Keenan wrote:

Did you read the study I linked for you? Please do. Then google how much anheuser busch inbev spends on marketing...oh hell, I will...1.53 billion in 2018...sheep.

Your tortured hero/artists that died far too young? Consider that they were tortured because they consumed alcohol/took drugs and not that because they were tortured they consumed them. I know I won't change your mind...its your right...you make your own decisions right? A: see above on marketing $

There will come a day when society views drinking the same way we do smoking: a stupid thing to do that needlessly risks your life.   

I don’t agree with this.

I do view smoking differently. Perhaps I’m off on that, but nicotine supply vehicles and their consequences do ultimately seem worse. In 2019, unless you are from Europe, why are you smoking?

I will say I think it sounds like you mean well. 

I’ve been sober almost 10 years now. As a middle aged adult I would say 95% of the people I encounter are able to enjoy a drink or a few, either daily or less often with no problems. Perhaps they are adding or shaving a few years off their life span. 
In any case, if i could interact with alcohol in that way I would. But that was never my experience. It doesn’t agree with me. With that taken into account I don’t have any right to tell other folks whether they should or should not drink, and how much is an appropriate amount. That ultimately looks to be a personal choice that people have to sort out for themselves.
Marketing is powerful, but people can be as well.

That moment when you realize you replied to an account 3 weeks old with nothing on it.   

 Reality is for those that can't handle drugs.
 Drugs are for those that can't handle reality.

Most of us wouldn't exist if it wasn't for drugs and booze. 

“Drugs are bad, mmm’kay”
-Mr. Mackey (first human to run a sub 2 hour Marathon)

Rd Rnr wrote: Hey Timothy,
Are you mormon or otherwise religious? Am wondering, is your steadfast attitude about alcohol personal experience or cultural in origin?

TIMMY!

x15x15 wrote:

To be exact, they died at 27... Forever 27...

Hank didn’t.

Mark Frumkin wrote:  Reality is for those that can't handle drugs.
 Drugs are for those that can't handle reality.

Not even close, although it is a cute phrase you would hear in rehab.

I think many of us enjoyed various drugs when we were younger, and perhaps still do occasionally, but taper off as we age. I'm 65, and doing drugs had a kind of disappointing "been there, done that" feel the last time I did anything other than have a glass of wine or a beer. But I used to enjoy it all, back in the 1970's and early 1980's.

TR only Limestone Lover wrote:

I’m 110% certain that the coolest people in history all died at or before they turned 30.

Bullshit. Plenty of cool people (whatever that means) went way past thirty. 

Your attempt at trolling? 1 of 10. Seriously, you should try harder.

The Raven wrote:

Bullshit. Plenty of cool people (whatever that means) went way past thirty. 

Your attempt at trolling? 1 of 10. Seriously, you should try harder.

Well you seem pretty heated so his attempt at sarcastic trolling seems to be working.