Bitter and Hostile Former Climbers Over 50 #1

Lone Pine wrote: So what i am learning from this thread is that old climbers whine as much as the so called millenials they despise

Maybe.  The difference being we actually have viable reason to whine and bitch and piss and moan.

don'tchuffonme wrote:

Maybe.  The difference being we actually have viable reason to whine and bitch and piss and moan.

everyone thinks/feels that way

Really we couldn't even make it to 10 pages? let alone a "Bitter and Hostile Former Climbers Over 50 #2"

Lame

Here's hoping the competitors learn to hand jam.

Or let's hope they don't NAWMEAN?  LOCALS ONLY!

I’m sick and tired of all these “cam climbers.” Learn how to place REAL pro like a REAL climber.

Don’t even get me started on those quickdraw loving yahoos...

when I was your age we just draped the rope over horns...

don'tchuffonme wrote:

I'm close, but not over.  I say if you have a problem with the following, this thread is for you (and me):

Oh yay- "

Former? What about us bitter and hostile CURRENT Climbers ? 

sgt.sausage wrote: Former? What about us bitter and hostile CURRENT Climbers ? 

Obviously you'll have to quit climbing.

That'll teach 'em!

Professor Snax wrote:
Yep. That list very well sums up my perspective on the state of things. But I’m 35 and I have a ProMaster (that I worked my ass off to finally afford, for whatever that’s worth). The worst it gets out there, the deeper I go. 60% of the time, it works every time. 

35, has a promaster!!! Tell us more!

I'm not bitter or hostile but am over 50. And with 40 years of climbing I have earned the right to bitch a little...
 
Toughen up young ones. Just because you led a a couple of 5.8 climbs in the gym doesn't mean you should upgrade every route you do outside. Bunch of wusses. What makes you think us old folk don't know how to honestly grade a route?  Get over your toe draggin, sloppy technique and bow to those who came before!
FFS respect our authority ;)

m Mobes wrote:

35, has a promaster!!! Tell us more!

I like a good spin of Chuck Mangione and Weather Report, hate long walks on the beach, and I don't eat meat on Wednesdays. 

m Mobes wrote:

35, has a promaster!!! Tell us more!

Jealous much?

The kids should treat us with just as much respect as we showed our elders when we were their age!

Mark E Dixon wrote:

I think as long as you are over 50 in spirit, your opinions should count more than anybody else’s. 

That’s called early onset grumpiness....

Doug Hemken wrote: The kids should treat us with just as much respect as we showed our elders when we were their age!

Cry me a river. 

Know where the %^&* you are. So tired of having gumbies asking me what route I'm on!

master gumby wrote:

Cry me a river. 

Don’t do that, they’d drown us in it for our pills!

master gumby wrote:

Cry me a river. 

So glad you caught my drift.  And they say you kids never get it!

master gumby wrote:

Ohhh the finger pointing and irony.

Real live gumby here - why cant we just agree there are problems on both sides? 

Because I don't really see veterans:

• Blaring top 40 pop music from a goddamned bluetooth speaker in a wilderness area
• Top-roping through steel rings instead of your own quickdraws
• Flying drones to get sick footage of your "bro" on that 5.9+ in a national park where they're not allowed
• Raining down baseball to grapefruit-sized chunks of rock without even a thought of who or what might be below
• Bringing 14 other gumbies to a crag that can't lead or clean and that all need to take a shit and have no bags with them
• Bringing dogs like it's some kind of signature behavior so that everyone knows you're there to send- doesn't really count unless you drove your van there #vanlyfe #dirtbag
• Telling people that lowering off sport climbs is wrong and that they should rappel to "save the anchor"
• littering
• You get it.  Did you miss my first post?

You all had giant ego's and masculinity issues (this is just one problem) BITD which helped contribute to many problems.

Sweet grammar.  Masculinity issues?  LMAO.  At least we didn't bail off sport routes, leave an entire quickdraw because we didn't have an ounce of prerequisite knowledge on how to get out of a situation when you can't go up anymore.  Giant egos?  Ever hear a fledgling gumby when they send their first plastic 40' "5.12"?? Hahahaha.  You are a real live one.

there are always problems in the world, in climbing and outside of it. 

Meaning... what exactly?  That we should just ignore the completely preventable, self entitlement shitshow that has become the norm at climbing areas everywhere?  No thanks.  I prefer to address it.

The sooner you stop letting the butt hurt coarse through your veins, your world will become a brighter place.

The sooner your tribe of gumbos becomes self sufficient, does some research on best practices, LNT principles, learns to read a fucking guidebook, stops making the image of "being a climber" a priority and actually invests in the techniques and ropework that actually makes a climber proficient, and adopts some consideration for other people around them, then my world will become a brighter place.  Being concerned about the state of things and addressing problems isn't called "butthurt".  It's called being a steward.  If you were one, you'd know.

 I am guessing you are not a very happy or pleasurable person to be around, although I could be mistaken.

All of my partners are psyched to climb with me.  I'm super safe, knowledgeable about all the areas I climb at, generous with my time and belays, generally have a good sense of humor, try hard, and encourage anyone with me to do the same.  I give up my time to volunteer to teach folks that are eager to learn, and don't pass judgment with regard to skill and climb with men and women alike of different skill levels and tenure.  You guess wrong.  Just because I speak candidly and bluntly about the state of things and how much they bother me, doesn't mean that defines the entirety of my personality.  It's probably easier for you to slap a label on me and write me off.  You're more than welcome to do that as long as you realize that's not how most humans are and that classification you seem so eager to assign serves no other purpose than to make things easier for you.

Maybe try moving away from CO? Just a wild guess that is where you live based on the things you have talked about that bug you.

 Don't live anywhere near CO. Wrong again.  If you were well traveled, you'd know these things are an epidemic at almost any popular, quality climbing area, and not just CO.