hauling on trad gear?

Can I haul a fix line and a haulbag on a 3-4 points trad anchor? Every informations I found is about fix anchors, but it's probably ok, exemple for first ascent backcountry big wall?
Thank you for your answers!

Maxime Castilloux wrote: Can I haul a fix line and a haulbag on a 3-4 points trad anchor? Every informations I found is about fix anchors, but it's probably ok, exemple for first ascent backcountry big wall?
Thank you for your answers!

Why would you think it’s not OK? 

Your standard multipitch trad anchor should be able to withstand a climber taking a factor 2 fall onto it.  Unless you're hauling a super monster load, the forces involved will be significantly less than that.

If you're not comfortable hauling on your anchor, it's not a safe anchor to climb on!

I've never climb big wall and every information I could find show fix anchors.
I really trust my trad anchors but maybe there is something that it's not correct and people who make first ascent bolt a fix anchors with manual drill and hammer...

Finally I know that is possible and safe thank you for your answers.
I'm just curious to know everything :)

Yeah, it is fine to haul off gear anchors when they are good. I would say a lot of party’s bolt the anchor for a few different reasons.

1. If you can’t get a bomber gear anchor. Let’s say between two A4 pitches.
2. It you are going to rap the route anyways. Bolts are cheaper then leaving gear. So might was well use the bolts on the way up and down.
3. Just pure convenience, but this often times done by repeating parties, not the FA. Like many routes on El Cap. But, there are still many route on El Cap that require building your own natural anchors.

Sam Skovgaard wrote: Unless you're hauling a super monster load, the forces involved will be significantly less....

If you're not comfortable hauling on your anchor, it's not a safe anchor to climb on!

You would never get a load that heavy off the ground.  You would never get that much up to the base even.

How many haulbags are 1000 lbs?

Maxime Castilloux wrote: Can I haul a fix line and a haulbag on a 3-4 points trad anchor? Every informations I found is about fix anchors, but it's probably ok, exemple for first ascent backcountry big wall?
Thank you for your answers!

Sure. Basically this is the only option on many routes.

Belay anchors are not intended to fail.

I’ve hauled off of two equalized hooks.
There are no rules. 

Climb Club rules.

1. There are no rules.
2. There are no rules.
3. Someone yells "Take!", grabs a draw, slip off, the climb is over.
4. Only one climber to a climb.

Christian George wrote: I’ve hauled off of two equalized hooks.
There are no rules. 

What was the rest of your anchor (if any). Static haul rope? Terrifying.

Christian George wrote: I’ve hauled off of two equalized hooks.
There are no rules. 

Lol, I've done the same thing 

K Weber wrote:

You would never get a load that heavy off the ground.  You would never get that much up to the base even.

How many haulbags are 1000 lbs?

You’ve obviously never heard of Pass the Pitons Pete Zabrok.

K Weber wrote: How many haulbags are 1000 lbs?

PS.  Depends what you have in them.  I recall one I was hauling that weighed 170lbs so that would be 1,000 / 170 = 5.88 so 6 haulbags.  

rockklimber wrote:

PS.  Depends what you have in them.  I recall one I was hauling that weighed 170lbs so that would be 1,000 / 170 = 5.88 so 6 haulbags.  

I've hauled two bags and a single ledge where one of the bags was 12 gallons of water and the other bags were 12 days of food and other personal gear along with more of the rack not needed on the first few pitches. The water alone was 100lbs. But I didn't haul that off two equalized hooks unfortunately

kevin deweese wrote:

I've hauled two bags and a single ledge where one of the bags was 12 gallons of water and the other bags were 12 days of food and other personal gear along with more of the rack not needed on the first few pitches. The water alone was 100lbs. But I didn't haul that off two equalized hooks unfortunately

We had two 170lb pigs full of 20 gallons of water, food and camera gear.  There were 4 of us, 2 per bag hauling up gear to some climbers working a route on WOEML.  

rockklimber wrote:

We had two 170lb pigs full of 20 gallons of water, food and camera gear.  There were 4 of us, 2 per bag hauling up gear to some climbers working a route on WOEML.  

12days huh?  I’m guessing you were soloing something?  Or doing something up the middle of the East side?  T Trip?

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