Hardest all natural routes at Mt. Charleston?

Hi does anyone know which are the hardest natural routes (without manufactured holds) at Mt Charleston? Cheers!!

"Manufactured holds"?

It might be "The Other" at the Roost. The locals seem to say .13c or d. But maybe there's something else, depending on your definition of manufactured. 

How many definitions of "manufactured" are there? The holds are either chipped or they're not. The OP asked about "natural" routes or routes "without manufactured holds."

2/10.

Benjamin Chapman wrote: How many definitions of "manufactured" are there? The holds are either chipped or they're not. The OP asked about "natural" routes or routes "without manufactured holds."

In reality, there is some ambiguity here. If a loose or flexing block is removed from a route creating a jug, for example, does that constitute a manufactured hold? Does "comfortizing" the edge of a sharp pocket constitute chipping? Clearly a drilled pocket on a blank wall is manufactured, but there is a spectrum of possibilities to consider, and undoubtedly people will have differing opinions.

Not a fan 

JOE RANDOM wrote: It might be "The Other" at the Roost. The locals seem to say .13c or d. But maybe there's something else, depending on your definition of manufactured. 

Thanks for actually providing some good info without being a smartass. The Other definitely caught my eye on my first visit a few weeks ago - the first portion has super cool movements and it seemed all natural when I climbed it.

Dylan Demyanek wrote:

In reality, there is some ambiguity here. If a loose or flexing block is removed from a route creating a jug, for example, does that constitute a manufactured hold? Does "comfortizing" the edge of a sharp pocket constitute chipping? Clearly a drilled pocket on a blank wall is manufactured, but there is a spectrum of possibilities to consider, and undoubtedly people will have differing opinions.

I'm not trying to question local ethics at Charleston. Just looking to be inspired by some natural lines. Like you said, there is ambiguity for sure there - but I will draw my personal line when I try a route, as anyone else certainly would draw theirs. 

Fan Yang wrote:

I'm not trying to question local ethics at Charleston. Just looking to be inspired by some natural lines. Like you said, there is ambiguity for sure there - but I will draw my personal line when I try a route, as anyone else certainly would draw theirs. 

So you’re looking for a traditionally protected route?

Lou Cerutti wrote:

So you’re looking for a traditionally protected route?

no, i am looking for information that you obviously cannot provide, so please start your own thread about whatever it is that you wish to argue. 

I would think something like Manphibian, altho not sure if its all natural or not. There are a couple of other lines on that section of the wall as well that are as hard or harder than The Other.
Theres a few down in the cave as well....

Nothing to argue you just didn’t specify 

Funny I forgot this one- Aeolis Mons .14a. Not sure if it's been repeated to confirm the grade though.