Need to grow the gear collection any suggestions?

Harumpfster Boondoggle wrote:

Ok. 

Tape
Ibuprofen
Benadryl

Done.

Tape, Coban, Ibuprofen, Benadryl, Alcohol pads, Gauze, Tweezers. 

Especially if its a multi-day outing

Daniel Melnyk wrote:

Thinking that climbing off the ground not on top rope is dick swinging? Sorry you think that way mate

When you gain more experience sport climbing you'll find many routes and entire areas with routes set that way. You think all those bolts were placed ground up? The bolt at 15' with 11d moves getting up to it on a 12b climb with jagged boulders in the landing zone was intentionally placed that way to be stick clipped. No one gives a shit if you don't stick clip it, but thumping your chest about it is nothing but spray.

Marc801 C wrote:

When you gain more experience sport climbing you'll find many routes and entire areas with routes set that way. You think all those bolts were placed ground up? The bolt at 15' with 11d moves getting up to it on a 12b climb with jagged boulders in the landing zone was intentionally placed that way to be stick clipped. No one gives a shit if you don't stick clip it, but thumping your chest about it is nothing but spray.

This.

Smith Rock was developed without stick clips.
Just sayin

Daniel Melnyk wrote: Smith Rock was developed without stick clips.
Just sayin

And yet they are seen there more than anywhere.

Because people aren't stupid.

Daniel Melnyk wrote: Smith Rock was developed without stick clips.
Just sayin

https://www.mountainproject.com/forum/topic/107096571/is-stick-clipping-1st-bolt-cheating?page=5

From that thread:

• I put the bolt high to save bolts and save battery life.  Sport climbing without a stick clip is like visiting a whore house without condoms.
• Stick clips have been in use at Smith Rock since at least the mid '80's (check out Smith Rock 1986...) but I don't know if routes were 'established with preclipping in mind'.  As of 1983 Watts was still cleaning his draws after every attempt, so I doubt very much he was pre-clipping the rope at that time.  Of course he eventually abandoned the true "redpoint" mentality, so maybe he became a stick clip fiend as well.

One of my local areas has a steep hard packed dirt ramp to reach the base of some of the climbs. The first bolts are about 12-15 feet up. If you fall off before clipping you could easily sprain/break an ankle(s), then roll down the hill. And if the belayer didn't have a bunch of slack out (if the leader was about to clip) the belayer would be yanked down the hill too. So for your ego you would also endanger your belayer. The developers could have put a bolt you could reach from the ground to protect the ramp, but it wouldn't protect your ankles. They figured most people would be smart enough to realize you're supposed to stick clip the first bolt.

I used a stick clip on Valhalla for each bolt. 

master gumby wrote: I used a stick clip on Valhalla for each bolt. 

Especially pitch 2 where you traverse down and right

Daniel Melnyk wrote:

Especially pitch 2 where you traverse down and right

Yes that was an important one to use the stick clip on and p3. The 35 foot extendable stick clip I made worked like a charm

Chris Hill wrote:

Tape, Coban, Ibuprofen, Benadryl, Alcohol pads, Gauze, Tweezers. 

Especially if its a multi-day outing

No Coban, Alcohol pads are useless, anything that needs truly a gauze dressing means you should be hiking out instead, tweezers for a splinter? That's all they'd be good for.

Harumpfster Boondoggle wrote:

No Coban, Alcohol pads are useless, anything that needs truly a gauze dressing means you should be hiking out instead, tweezers for a splinter? That's all they'd be good for.

Alcohol pads are great for getting poison ivy oil off your skin - yay solvents. Also useful for cleaning up if you find out too late that hold is full of rodent poop - hantavirus is a bummer. You can DIY with hand sanitizer or a little spray bottle of rubbing alcohol and round cotton pads.

Tweezers are great for cactus spines. Around here, the cactus grow these tiny almost invisible hairs that are maddening to get out, and some of the walk-offs are full of the stuff.

Add immodium AD to the list. You're welcome. 

Harumpfster Boondoggle wrote:

...anything that needs truly a gauze dressing means you should be hiking out instead...

Which means it would be really stupid not to have them, even for the hike out.

Bragging about how little you need in your first aid kit is a little bit better thought out than bragging about not needing a stick clip, but only a little better.

I like not breaking my ankles, so I carry a stick clip. I also like not pooping my pants, so I carry immodium. I guess I'm a weenie gumby but I am a happy weenie gumby.

A kayak!

Marc801 C wrote: Which means it would be really stupid not to have them, even for the hike out.

Nope. Get moving to higher care.

First aid kits are fine for keeping in your car but a colossal waist of space and weight for climbing or backpacking.   Again, a roll of athletic tape is all you need.   Really what else do you need?

Kevin Mokracek wrote: First aid kits are fine for keeping in your car but a colossal waist of space and weight for climbing or backpacking.   Again, a roll of athletic tape is all you need.   Really what else do you need?

Benedryl. For that time in the Gunks when you (well, my girlfriend now wife)  got 30 wasp stings on Gelsa (Gunks) from the unseen death star nest around the corner.

Marc801 C wrote:

Benedryl. For that time in the Gunks when you (well, my girlfriend now wife)  got 30 wasp stings on Gelsa (Gunks) from the unseen death star nest around the corner.

If you have a specific medical condition or are predisposed to severe reactions then of course carry your meds with you.  I’m mostly talking about these supposed backpacking first aid kits REI sells that are the size of a football, a bit of exaggeration but not much.  You don’t need splints, CPR mask, tweezers, bandaids, gauze etc.     

Your setup looks good! I would say if you want to expand it look at getting:
- another pair of shoes: helpful for when you need to resole your current pair or for different styles of climbing
- a few more quickdraws for longer routes
- more regular carabiners for alpine draws
-approach shoes or good hiking shoes if you don’t already have them

Or, depending on what your camping/hiking gear collection looks like, start investing in that stuff so you have stuff to camp with when you go on trips.

Happy gear-buying and climbing!