Tyrolleans for odd loads

Becca Joy wrote: Any thoughts on the topic as far as technical skills involved?

I think you may need to be more specific on what you think will be different from a typical Tyrol with a load. 

I would say getting the dog on and off the line will likely be a bigger challenge than actually doing the crossing (if the dog can handle it). Depending on the weight of the dog and the ground under the line. It may make sense to attach the dog with a short rope (say 10 feet) going up to a gri gri attached to the tyrol pulley. Then you could crank the dog up and the gri gri would lock him in place. Back up the gri gri of course. At the other side it would be easy to undo the backup and lower with the gri gri. 
I’d get this all dialed on a line strung between two trees on my property before trying it at a crag. Plus it would give the dog a chance to get used to it. I’m sure you know dog training lots of praise and/or treats to make it fun and desirable. 

This thread has become an Odd Load :)

For me it’s much easier to leave the dog at home. But I bring him sometimes because he has so much fun. It’s nice to have the dog along, it’s a great conversation starter with other folks etc, but a lot of it is I’d I feel bad leaving him at home knowing how much he appreciates a day of adventure. People who say you are selfish for bringing a dog (because it’s all about you) are often really just saying they don’t want to deal with someone else’s dog, and if it’s a problem dog (barking, fighting, getting into your stuff) I don’t blame them, but a well behaved dog is great out in a more natural area at the crag.

For a dog on a Tyrol I don’t think any dog is really going to enjoy it. But if it doesn’t really bother the dog and it means they get to have a fun adventure day I say go for it. 

Becca Joy wrote:

My dog loves coming to hang at crags + is very responsive to the commands he’s been trained with. I never bring him when I multipitch. — Looking for more technical knowledge. I’ve seen numerous dogs brought across tyrolleans so not sure if there’s some trick I’m not thinking about.

Not really married to the idea of forcing any animal across crazy rivers. Just looking for info. My dogs left at home probably half the time when I’m outdoor doing things not fit a dogs capability.

I used to be a climbing guide and have a decent knowledge of rope systems and technical skills for climbing from personal outings as well.

Was just looking for a brainstorming learning friendly conversation.

Any thoughts on the topic as far as technical skills involved?

WOW! What sort of guide were you?

People got way too serious and heavy in response to a simple question. Here’s my system.  Works great! I know he looks a little upset in the picture but he never resists me putting it on and he prances around afterward. Those are two harnesses by the way.

Peter Jacobs wrote: People got way too serious and heavy in response to a simple question. Here’s my system.  Works great! I know he looks a little upset in the picture but he never resists me putting it on and he prances around afterward. Those are two harnesses by the way.

That prancing around is a dog's way of saying " Thank God that's over" ;)

How many times is OP going to change the content of her post?

Chalk in the Wind wrote: How many times is OP going to change the content of her post?

Vy kant ve chust go chase squirrelitza?

I harnessed a dog with 2 chest harness worn backwards (1 around each set of legs) , it worked great and he couldn’t slip out. But most people don’t have 2 chest harnesses laying around.

I’ve made a sit harness for a kid out of tied webbing. It also worked great.

So I am sure you could make a harness out of webbing to at least test to see how the dog does with hanging in a harness. You could simply tie two runners out of two inch webbing, make an X and slide his legs thru so the X sits against his chest and crotch. I have a life jacket for my dog with a handle for picking him up. I wouldn’t trust it for life support but it would be great for padding and fit under full strength webbing. 

Chalk in the Wind wrote: How many times is OP going to change the content of her post?

If I changed my underwear this frequently I'd never stop doing laundry

I don't want to speak ill of the dead. But I don't think anyone should be looking to Dean P as a role model for either dog ownership or domestic relationships. He would probably agree if he were still around.

Via Abbie Hearne 7-19-19

Suggestion: Start small and work your way up.  Practice between a couple of trees close to the ground.  Study well and build your skills.  Make sure the dog is willing to do the tyrol.  Just like people, might not be his thing.  

Studing books and working it out, testing every aspect, is how I learned to climb and protect myself in the 1970's along with a lot of other climbers of that time.  Protection, rigging and rope work takes mechanical engineer skills and correct estimation via testing.  For example tie a comfortable harness rig for the dog.  Spend hours working it out and testing.  Patience and careful study is the key.  be willing to go back to the drawing board after many tries and work until you get it.

Spider Savage wrote: Suggestion: Start small and work your way up.  Practice between a couple of trees close to the ground.  Study well and build your skills.  Make sure the dog is willing to do the tyrol.  Just like people, might not be his thing.  

Studing books and working it out, testing every aspect, is how I learned to climb and protect myself in the 1970's along with a lot of other climbers of that time.  Protection, rigging and rope work takes mechanical engineer skills and correct estimation via testing.  For example tie a comfortable harness rig for the dog.  Spend hours working it out and testing.  Patience and careful study is the key.  be willing to go back to the drawing board after many tries and work until you get it.

Spider had to rely heavily on his engineer skills to design a harness for himself.

Whatever type of climbing activity you are doing, trad, sport, tyrolian or forum surfing, it is ALWAYS more fun with the Cosmic Cragsman along.  ;-)

Get a room hippies

We have these dog rescue harness at the shop made by Fido Pro

Put a pulley on the tyrolean. Clip locker and a Grigri to the dog harness. Tie a 20’ section of rope to the dog harness and thread it through the Grigri. Attach a tag line to the locker on the Grigri then throw it across the river to your partner. Hoist the dog up with the Grigri and have your partner tow the dog across the river. Use the Grigri to lower the dog to the ground.