Just got word that Shawn Snyder is banned from Smith Rock State Park for 210 days!

Shawn isn't very honest. I'm no longer engaging this thread. Happy climbing folks.

P. S. Would be happy to show folks my perfectly set fixe 304 ss glue-in eye bolts at smith any time. PM me. ;-)

ain't nobody trying to see your 304SS, pervert.  

Redyns wrote: ain't nobody trying to see your 304SS, pervert.  

There's someone for everyone, Redyns. Let me dream.

Before you leave, What about this cactus story?......

Mark Pilate wrote: Before you leave, What about this cactus story?......

Haha, since it came up. 4 years ago I was having some drinks with friends. We where goofing around, wrestling, and exploring the desert. I tripped into a jtree and cut my nose and brow like the goofball I am. Happy to own that. Wasn't a cactus fortunately. 

We all got a couple days of good laughing over it and the story brings me a smile. Was a great trip for all of us.

Gear sting. Problem solved.

Marc801 C wrote: I'm curious. A question for all the people in this thread that are strongly advocating against project draws:
What is the hardest grade you've worked and successfully red pointed?

Follow up question:
If you stood at the start of the route, how far behind you would you touch down if you lowered off the anchors?

5.11+ at josh and both your feet would be against the rock. Slabs are great for fat guys.

edit - practice draws are fine and shawn needs to stop stealing shit

Shawns one to talk. Last year around this time he had to be carried out by search and rescue for dropping a rock on his head while developing a route on the monkey.. For all the shit he talks on my friends and I accusing us we have zero clue what we’re doing out there.. I’ve never dropped a rock on my head in the 5 years of bolting routes out at Smith..

Too bad he wasn’t developing on basalt... problem would have solved itself.

Mark Warren wrote: Shawn isn't very honest. I'm no longer engaging this thread. Happy climbing folks.

P. S. Would be happy to show folks my perfectly set fixe 304 ss glue-in eye bolts at smith any time. PM me. ;-)

 Before you disengage can you please let us know what part of you going into Joshua tree national Park at night with a power drill  to put up a Highline for Faith Dickie, then afterwords face planting into a cactus  is not true??   And secondly because you placed Bolts at Smith rock does that mean the Joshua tree incident never happened??

Briggs Lazalde wrote:

Guy had a clumsy moment and tripped...we all been there, ar least the fun people have at one point. For shawn to try and compare falling into a tree while drunk to the 1000s of negative things hes done.....    no comparison. 2 different types of people here... I wont spill my opinion but I'd give mark a chance at hanging out and give him a belay....shawn, sorry I'd tell you to........

 Excuse me sir but can you not read ?? Mark went into a national park at night time with a power drill to put in slack line bolts  that did not dry for several days.  What part of that action fucking things up for all of us do you not understand?

Chris Hatzai wrote: Shawns one to talk. Last year around this time he had to be carried out by search and rescue for dropping a rock on his head while developing a route on the monkey.. For all the shit he talks on my friends and I accusing us we have zero clue what we’re doing out there.. I’ve never dropped a rock on my head in the 5 years of bolting routes out at Smith..

Too bad he wasn’t developing on basalt... problem would have solved itself.

 No sir, you just jeopardize access for all of us by  taking crowbars to the rock and knocking huge boulders down  on the misery ridge trail in front of a picnic lunch wall.  You know the route with all the scars on it you can visibly see from the parking lot   I might be mistaken but didn’t you even receive a citation for that?  Go figure another self  entitled climber jeopardizing access for all of us and then running his mouth. 

Mark Warren wrote:

Haha, since it came up. 4 years ago I was having some drinks with friends. We where goofing around, wrestling, and exploring the desert. I tripped into a jtree and cut my nose and brow like the goofball I am. Happy to own that. Wasn't a cactus fortunately. 

We all got a couple days of good laughing over it and the story brings me a smile. Was a great trip for all of us.

If you fell into a Joshua Tree you should lose your sponsorship.  

I realize this post has largely digressed into an "ethics" discussion(or something far beyond) but a quick google search led to this article.  Given that any element of this article is true, I would think a reasonable person might realize it's time to give their "cause" a rest...

https://www.bendbulletin.com/localstate/4230081-151/stashing-gear-on-public-land-etiquette-vs

Uh oh!   The Kyle is loose and roaming the threads....like a cougar ready to run down a wayward 5 yr old.  Get your shit straight and look sharp or pay the price,  lol

This should be fun...

Hey Kyle when you're tired of cratering I hear there is a bunch of free gear at Smith rock that isn't being picked up anymore.

Zach Smith wrote: Hey Kyle when you're tired of cratering I hear there is a bunch of free gear at Smith rock that isn't being picked up anymore.

There’s also lots of 5.13 there too!

I feel like we are forgetting the important things on MP.......Ten Sleep is being chipped and Roy is overcrowded!!!!! 

Great thread!!

The usual MP trolls spending lots of time trying to stir the pot.

The perp showing up trying to deflect by bringing up the alleged transgressions of another poster.

People for whom climbing is a huge part of their lives, still not getting the difference of style vs. ethics.

As mentioned Smith Rock has a policy. Don't agree with it, fine. But don't complain that it doesn't live up to your pure style standards.

"Equipment used for technical rock climbing or slack lining and related activities may be left in day-use areas in a discreet manor. If, for any reason, park staff needs the equipment to be removed, either park staff, or official park volunteers may remove it or instruct the responsible individuals to remove it."

It's all about respect for other people. Leaving stuff stashed discreetly is no big deal. If it's visible or in the way and detracts from other people's experience it is probably lame. Who cares if there's a stash behind a rock when the only people that see it are the people out searching for it. Does it really bother you so much that "someone is being lazy!". So what, that's a style choice.

Project draws are attached to freakin' bolts LOL. Like the bolts aren't a problem. But someone leaving draws on them for a day or two is a big deal. Don't worry about what other people are doing unless it significantly affects you.

And to use someone's supposed style short comings as a justification for stealing is beyond ridiculous. Thieves are just selfish thieves. If someone is doing it for the right reasons they would take it to the rangers. Anyone who's been involved with law enforcement or jury duty know how clear and obvious someone has to be breaking the law to get busted.

J T wrote: I feel like we are forgetting the important things on MP.......Ten Sleep is being chipped and Roy is overcrowded!!!!! 

Roy is like the IC of bouldering. Over-hyped.