Draws stolen of China Doll

I was recently made aware that a friend of mine had his draws stolen off the first pitch of CHina Doll over the weekend. I am speaking up for my friend and asking if anybody knows anything about this. Whether or not you agree with leaving fixed draws in place in an area mostly only visited by climbers, resorting to theft over posting to have them removed is not ok. My friend is a reasonable person and would have been ok with taking them down if they bothered somebody. Thank you if you can help.

Corey Flynn
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so was it fixed (steel link to bolts) or draws (carabiners on both ends)?

big difference.

Doesn't it go on gear?  Draws are aid?

Tim Lutz wrote: so was it fixed (steel link to bolts) or draws (carabiners on both ends)?

big difference.

Yes, one requires the thief do nothing more than unclip, the other requires the thief have a wrench. Big difference.

George Foster wrote: Doesn't it go on gear?  Draws are aid?

call the Waaaah-mbulance

Wait wait this might be a new problem...
Project draws left on the first pitch of a multi pitch? And they’re gone....wierd.

George Foster wrote: Doesn't it go on gear?  Draws are aid?

No George.  Draws are not aid; they are protection.  Don't even know why I'm answering this question.   

Tim Lutz wrote:

 but front range gym millennial needs dat 'fixed gear' to send?!

call the Waaaah-mbulance

I wonder if you watched the video and noticed that the bolts are clipped as directionals for toproping and in situ for Heather's initial attempts at leading the route?

Oh, this is going to be a good one...

mediocre wrote: Wait wait this might be a new problem...
Project draws left on the first pitch of a multi pitch? And they’re gone....wierd.

First of all, China Doll as it is most typically climbed, really is not a multi-pitch route.  Second, if one were to contest that point, the draws were on the "second" pitch.  Third, projecting gear left temporarily on a multi-pitch climb is not "a new problem," but a relatively common practice.

Jesus.

The people posting on this thread clearly have no idea the amount of effort that goes in to climbing a climb like this.

Hope your friend gets their draws back!

Stealing gear is bad. As is defending the people who do it. 

Good grief, kids, if it ain't yours, don't take it. If your buddy is a practitioner of cleansing draws, talk to them. Or stop climbing with them. Let's not tolerate this.

Ben Cooper wrote:

First of all, China Doll as it is most typically climbed, really is not a multi-pitch route.  Second, if one were to contest that point, the draws were on the "second" pitch.  Third, projecting gear left temporarily on a multi-pitch climb is not "a new problem," but a relatively common practice.

First of all you said it, “typically not” but not never ever ever climbed as a multi pitch climb. Second of all the OP states “first pitch” so I was forced to take him at his word. Third, projecting draws is a relatively common practice, just like those draws being cleaned or stolen and then someone bitching about it on MP and starting another 10 page thread of dead horse beating. He may as well have asked if he should buy a Tacoma or a Subaru. 

Buncha 5.9 chuffers saying too bad braj I ninja'd your draws itsa trad route har har hur hur.

I'm thinking the Mayor of Apricot Dome is to blame or one of his sub lieutenants...

https://www.climbing.com/people/unsent-why-im-gonna-chop-the-bolts-on-adam-ondras-silence-5-15d/

Draw thiefs are pretty much the bottom of the climbing barrel up there with wag bag leaver-behind-ers.

Are you sure an angry owl didn't take them?

Señor Arroz wrote: Are you sure an angry owl didn't take them?

Who?

I fore one approve of the draws being removed as I prefer to climb my projects on my own draws and find them to be a nuisance that's in my way.

Justin Winger wrote: I fore one approve of the draws being removed as I prefer to climb my projects on my own draws and find them to be a nuisance that's in my way.

These draws were certainly not in your way.

mediocre wrote: What these threads are really about is that someone is pissed that someone got their project and took home a few new used draws as a trophy.

Given the nature of the route in question, it is next to impossible that this is what happened.

Phil Lauffen wrote:

These draws were certainly not in your way.

You are most certainly wrong as it is one of my projects. I didn't take your draws but if I had been there and they were on it they would be laying at the base of the climb now.