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Draws stolen of China Doll


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Corey Flynn · · USA · Joined Aug 2008 · Points: 150

I was recently made aware that a friend of mine had his draws stolen off the first pitch of CHina Doll over the weekend. I am speaking up for my friend and asking if anybody knows anything about this. Whether or not you agree with leaving fixed draws in place in an area mostly only visited by climbers, resorting to theft over posting to have them removed is not ok. My friend is a reasonable person and would have been ok with taking them down if they bothered somebody. Thank you if you can help.

Corey Flynn
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Tim Lutz · · Colo-Rado Springs · Joined Aug 2012 · Points: 5

so was it fixed (steel link to bolts) or draws (carabiners on both ends)?

big difference.

George Foster · · Durango, CO · Joined Oct 2015 · Points: 3

Doesn't it go on gear?  Draws are aid?

Phil Lauffen · · Innsbruck, AT · Joined Jun 2008 · Points: 2,897
Tim Lutz wrote: so was it fixed (steel link to bolts) or draws (carabiners on both ends)?

big difference.

Yes, one requires the thief do nothing more than unclip, the other requires the thief have a wrench. Big difference.

Tim Lutz · · Colo-Rado Springs · Joined Aug 2012 · Points: 5
George Foster wrote: Doesn't it go on gear?  Draws are aid?



 but front range gym millennial needs dat 'fixed gear' to send?!



call the Waaaah-mbulance

mediocre · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jul 2013 · Points: 0

Wait wait this might be a new problem...
Project draws left on the first pitch of a multi pitch? And they’re gone....wierd.

Ben Cooper · · richmond, va · Joined Apr 2009 · Points: 0
George Foster wrote: Doesn't it go on gear?  Draws are aid?

No George.  Draws are not aid; they are protection.  Don't even know why I'm answering this question.   

Ben Cooper · · richmond, va · Joined Apr 2009 · Points: 0
Tim Lutz wrote:



 but front range gym millennial needs dat 'fixed gear' to send?!



call the Waaaah-mbulance

I wonder if you watched the video and noticed that the bolts are clipped as directionals for toproping and in situ for Heather's initial attempts at leading the route?

Pnelson · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jan 2015 · Points: 436

Oh, this is going to be a good one...

Ben Cooper · · richmond, va · Joined Apr 2009 · Points: 0
mediocre wrote: Wait wait this might be a new problem...
Project draws left on the first pitch of a multi pitch? And they’re gone....wierd.

First of all, China Doll as it is most typically climbed, really is not a multi-pitch route.  Second, if one were to contest that point, the draws were on the "second" pitch.  Third, projecting gear left temporarily on a multi-pitch climb is not "a new problem," but a relatively common practice.

Todd the Tangler · · Golden, CO · Joined May 2014 · Points: 50

Jesus.

The people posting on this thread clearly have no idea the amount of effort that goes in to climbing a climb like this.

Hope your friend gets their draws back!

Stealing gear is bad. As is defending the people who do it. 

ABB · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Mar 2007 · Points: 0

Good grief, kids, if it ain't yours, don't take it. If your buddy is a practitioner of cleansing draws, talk to them. Or stop climbing with them. Let's not tolerate this.

Dan Cooksey · · Seattle, WA · Joined Jan 2014 · Points: 365

Can I also work a route on someone else's draws, if they are left on the route?
mediocre · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jul 2013 · Points: 0
Ben Cooper wrote:

First of all, China Doll as it is most typically climbed, really is not a multi-pitch route.  Second, if one were to contest that point, the draws were on the "second" pitch.  Third, projecting gear left temporarily on a multi-pitch climb is not "a new problem," but a relatively common practice.

First of all you said it, “typically not” but not never ever ever climbed as a multi pitch climb. Second of all the OP states “first pitch” so I was forced to take him at his word. Third, projecting draws is a relatively common practice, just like those draws being cleaned or stolen and then someone bitching about it on MP and starting another 10 page thread of dead horse beating. He may as well have asked if he should buy a Tacoma or a Subaru. 

What these threads are really about is that someone is pissed that someone got their project and took home a few new used draws as a trophy.
Jaren Watson · · Idaho · Joined May 2010 · Points: 2,450
mediocre wrote:

First of all you said it, “typically not” but not never ever ever climbed as a multi pitch climb. Second of all the OP states “first pitch” so I was forced to take him at his word. Third, projecting draws is a relatively common practice, just like those draws being cleaned or stolen and then someone bitching about it on MP and starting another 10 page thread of dead horse beating. He may as well have asked if he should buy a Tacoma or a Subaru

What these threads are really about is that someone is pissed that someone got their project and took home a few new used draws as a trophy.

Why be forced to choose? Sell enough project draws, and you can afford both.

How do you think I paid for the diamonds in my teeth?
caughtinside · · Oakland CA · Joined Nov 2006 · Points: 1,450

The positive thing about these threads is that the thieves and thief-enablers always out themselves.  

When someone tells you who they are... believe them. No, you're not an eco-warrior, you're just an asshole. 

Harumpfster Boondoggle · · Between yesterday and today. · Joined Apr 2018 · Points: 113

Buncha 5.9 chuffers saying too bad braj I ninja'd your draws itsa trad route har har hur hur.

I'm thinking the Mayor of Apricot Dome is to blame or one of his sub lieutenants...

https://www.climbing.com/people/unsent-why-im-gonna-chop-the-bolts-on-adam-ondras-silence-5-15d/

Draw thiefs are pretty much the bottom of the climbing barrel up there with wag bag leaver-behind-ers.

Mr. Stevens · · Boulder, CO · Joined Apr 2011 · Points: 1,247

The draws were still up this past Saturday, April 6.  There were 2 different aid parties on China Doll that day, with fixed ropes to the top of the cliff.

SeƱor Arroz · · LA, CA · Joined Jan 2016 · Points: 10

Are you sure an angry owl didn't take them?

Bill Kirby · · San Francisco CA · Joined Jul 2012 · Points: 480
Señor Arroz wrote: Are you sure an angry owl didn't take them?

Who?

Justin Winger · · Wheat Ridge · Joined Jul 2008 · Points: 10

I fore one approve of the draws being removed as I prefer to climb my projects on my own draws and find them to be a nuisance that's in my way.

Guideline #1: Don't be a jerk.

Colorado
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