To many lines?

Wait- he painted huge red lines down that wall!!!???

Sandy Crimp wrote:

Pete,

It is too many lines.  It’s a squeeze job.  The concern is not in squeezing BBW.  The problem is detracting from physical graffiti with bolts so close.  Please reconsider.  For the betterment of the whole community and the history of Physical Graffiti, please don’t let this beef with Dan cloud your judgement.  Be the better man

The bolting war & and many TRAD/sport folks say your wrong. Its close but not too close so... It goes in. And y'all can....

Pete Baumgardner wrote:

The bolting war & and many TRAD/sport folks say your wrong. Its close but not too close so... It goes in. And y'all can....

RR does not have a ‘bolting war’.

You could count on one hand the the number of people in Vegas with the skill/time to go up to riding hood and and chop/patch those climbs without anyone ever knowing ... and the only thing (I’m sure) that’s keeping them from bothering is because in all likelyhood it’s what you actually want to happen so you can validate this idea of a ‘bolting war’ or like the narrative you seem to spin of ‘Kentucky Pete saving RR from the climbing establishment and giving the people the climbs they want’

Sheesh, people. All of my 60+ years, if you have doubts about the "rightness" of something, and start justifying what you're doing? You are in the wrong.

Climbing development, specifically? Less is better. We need to restrain ourselves, rather than have the future be ashamed of the mess we made.

Hmm. On second thought? The last statement applied pretty broadly.

Best, OLH

In my opinion routes should be kept at least 15-20 feet apart in this multipitch area.

Sean Peter wrote: Wait- he painted huge red lines down that wall!!!???

Yep, just like the yellow scrimmage lines during a Football game.

I've been up both of those. Waited an hour for BBW, which was a fantastic little naptime. There absolutely is no justification for a line between them, especially toward the top, just someone trying to have a dick measuring contest..

I've sent tasteful nudes... No response . ;-) Here's the thing... Y'all don't know what I know. _:-) I am going to do what I KNOW is right. I'm gunnuh put 3oo bolts... Calico Basin gets BOLTs. (And no1 can stop it.) Besides... I clean, belay then Fa. I don't bolt. I'm a DEVELOPER!

Nicholas Gillman wrote:

RR does not have a ‘bolting war’.

You could count on one hand the the number of people in Vegas with the skill/time to go up to riding hood and and chop/patch those climbs without anyone ever knowing ... and the only thing (I’m sure) that’s keeping them from bothering is because in all likelyhood it’s what you actually want to happen so you can validate this idea of a ‘bolting war’ or like the narrative you seem to spin of ‘Kentucky Pete saving RR from the climbing establishment and giving the people the climbs they want’

Know your history. The bolting war of 91. We don't bolt cracks. But 20'.. I don't think so. I ain't fallerun bull%&@ rules while sum locals sneak out and "cherry pick lines. Im gunnuh spend the next 10yrs equiping EVERY line in calico that me & 'THE CALICO CREW" DECIDE TO. I TELL YALL CAUSE I don't "Sneak" Me & Mr Kimm... & I'll be going back 2 civ... The fringe... So much... Belay'un, Clean'n & Fa'un. :-) (Bolts R bn CHOPPED here by Trad climbers... Call that what u will. I call it appalling.

Pete Baumgardner wrote:

Know your history. The bolting war of 91. We don't bolt cracks. But 20'.. I don't think so. I ain't fallerun bull%&@ rules while sum locals sneak out and "cherry pick lines. Im gunnuh spend the next 10yrs equiping EVERY line in calico that me & 'THE CALICO CREW" DECIDE TO. I TELL YALL CAUSE I don't "Sneak" Me & Mr Kimm... & I'll be going back 2 civ... The fringe... So much... Belay'un, Clean'n & Fa'un. :-) (Bolts R bn CHOPPED here by Trad climbers... Call that what u will. I call it appalling.

Francois Magellan wrote: I wish MP had a thumbs down button

Maybe have the “thumbs up” count go negative

Pete Baumgardner wrote:

Actually he is "mostly" right. And I respect him fur say’n it.U read'n this Max?

So... you'll talk about the line like it's yours, you'll defend the line to the death, but when the fact that the line has shit hardware and shit bolt placement is brought up you automatically refer the comment to the 20yr old who was in town from Utah with a drill and some junk hardware? If you knew the hardware was subpar why did you encourage him to put that shit in the wall? I'm pretty sure you don't even have a drill... No one lend Pete their drill, problem solved.

Its too many lines.

A developer has to have an eye on the future, not just of the routes themselves, but the base and walk offs, rap stations etc. You add those squeeze jobs and the base and approach trail are trashed scars in 10 years.

Just because it is possible to climb a section of rock does not mean the crag as a whole and the RR experience is enhanced by it.

Fact of the matter this sort of roadside development is only done because the lazy AF developer doesn't want to walk. The only one being done favors is himself.

I thought the Access Fund told me to fight development in RR?

I am a PROBLEM! Not solved. I havne a new tool. The Interweb. :-) Mostly its filled with awesum climbers but thar be a few out there, wow. As far as bolting goes
 I HAVE LOST all desire to let RR stay as it is. IT GETS FIXED! Help! I know it ain't just STUPID people reading this help... I  DONT BOLT! (I try to "Gentle Guide Boltesrs... For fudge sake, I BELAY. CLEAN, SUM1 else drills & then... WE FA.  what Max told me... I have bolted 'many lines ". (Found out aftrr...only  4) " I have bolts" As far as sub-stantarrd Bolts... Piss off! That hardware will be fine. MAX! A little more HUMILITY as we... ;-) & 2 whoever it may concern... How many climbs have u HELPED put up? In the last 28yrs... Have u given COLLEGE credit @ nyu for rock climbing... ? I have.  As far as BIG hikes... I was born with a malformed spin.. 4 surgeries.   And my neurological condition of " Mirror Movements" makes me A genius @ teachun "Footwork".. 

Put it up as a solo if it's under 5.8 and then there is no squeeze job?

A disability is no excuse for re-making RR for your own convenience.

However, you do get extra props when you put up non-squeeze jobs that are off the beaten path and not roadside.

Harumpfster Boondoggle wrote: A disability is no excuse for re-making RR for your own convenience.

However, you do get extra props when you put up non-squeeze jobs that are off the beaten path and not roadside.

I will "DEVELOP" anywhar I choose.

Pete Baumgardner wrote:

I will "DEVELOP" anywhar I choose.

And there you have it, really. 

You should name a route "Narcissism, Who Me?"