Possible new offwidth route near Echo Rock, Joshua Tree

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Vogel has chimed in = case closed.

Also, did you check the log book of 'new' FAs at Nomads?

Greg Opland wrote:

I think the concept of someone recording climbing related information is lost on the Traditroll.
It's all just about old man ego!!!
I've decided to rename Double Cross since we can't trust Randy's memory and there's no actual proof Woody climbed it first!  Ha ha ha.

That's a great point. We just don't know who actually did what when. Alot of what has been "recorded" is hearsay.

The MP database helps solve this problem. On MP evidence such as pictures and current witness statements can be added lending a much stronger credibility that the information is legit.

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I mean we get it, Nick. You're miserable so you troll.

master gumby wrote: Why is everyone so mad about an 8 inch space between two rocks that stands 20 feet tall in an area that has thousands of them?

We didn't have a tape measure, but it's definitely taller than 20 feet. Maybe 35 or 40. One of you locals should climb it and report back. I'm stuck in Tacoma and  won't be back until next Christmas. I miss being a dirtbag down there.

Its already named "OFD".

Look, this idea of w/e go ahead and name something needs to stop.

If you didn't do the FA you have no business naming anything.

Guide book authors get some leeway to "tidy things up" but not randoms that should be fully aware that a crack dab smack in the middle of Echo Rocks was climbed 40 years ago.

1973: Young guy climbs some unremarkable line, gives it a three letter name. Nobody writes down the name or even knows what the letters mean.

2019: Another young guy climbs it and asks if it has a name. A bunch of old guys become unhinged, quite predictably.

I don't think this word "unhinged" means what you think it does, Junior.

And pretty sure Randy has the last word on this.

Harumpfster Boondoggle wrote: Its already named "OFD".

Look, this idea of w/e go ahead and name something needs to stop.

Why?

If you didn't do the FA you have no business naming anything.

How do we really know who climbed it and what they named it? I would bet Randy didn't personally witness most FAs in the park. It's just by word of mouth which just isn't reliable.

Guide book authors get some leeway to "tidy things up" but not randoms that should be fully aware that a crack dab smack in the middle of Echo Rocks was climbed 40 years ago.

It probably was but was soon forgotten because it wasn't very notable. What's wrong with renaming it and posting on MP so that it can become notable?

Harumpfster Boondoggle wrote: I don't think this word "unhinged" means what you think it does, Junior.

Maybe not, but thanks for teaching me with a real live example!

Sloppy Second wrote:

Maybe not, but thanks for teaching me with a real live example!

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Harumpfster Boondoggle wrote:

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There's nothing this obvious at any major crag in the U.S. which hasn't already been climbed regardless of it's lack of digital or print representation.

Healyje wrote: There's nothing this obvious at any major crag in the U.S. which hasn't already been climbed regardless of it's lack of digital or print representation.

Says some random dude on the internet.

Healyje wrote: There's nothing this obvious at any major crag in the U.S. which hasn't already been climbed regardless of it's lack of digital or print representation.

Has this always been true .... when / what was the last obvious climb done at Joshua Tree?

Who is to blame for the final extinction of the FA ... the baby boomers, generation x ..... surely not the millennials !?!?!

You want to do an FA? Then you're going to have to come up with something a bit less obvious and a bit more esoteric than that. Last I checked FAs are unfortunately still a consumable with the supply dwindling with each succeeding decade with no fairy dust available to somehow turn rocks and FAs into renewable resources. People scoured everything obvious relatively thoroughly in the '70s and '80s and we're fifty years down the road so you might just have to develop a somewhat more discerning eye to bag an FA these days.

I'm certain there are still many FA's to be had somewhere in J-tree...just not a crack like that near Echo Rock

This is why posting the FA should be abolished, some old man is going to have a heart attack when they realize they missed an obvious crack in Jtree.

And congratulations on all your FAs BTW, must of been hard being born earlier than everyone else so you could be first on the scene, Im super impressed!

The stories are true, I tell you. There are pristine, undiscovered valleys in JTree. Places where untouched 5.9 cracks await their names. Places that have never known the sound of baby boomer racks clanging with pitons and hexes.

Who will join me in the search for these climbs? We can leave today. There is no entrance fee and we can shit wherever we want.

Tradiban wrote: 

And congratulations on all your FAs BTW, must of been hard being born earlier than everyone else so you could be first on the scene, Im super impressed!

Thanks.

And your tears are delicious, Snowflake.