Drug checkpoints

All these college kids with cataracts, dang epidemic. 

Bryan Gilmore wrote: Tim, I know our medical system is F'd, and I may be a bit out of the loop since I don't smoke pot, recreationally or for medical reasons... For the record, I've voted to legalize Marijuana while living in Colorado and Massachusetts and I think it's absurd that people have to worry about it. A single beer while driving home from climbing is nice, but I don't do it because I'll get in trouble if I get caught, even if not legally intoxicated, not to mention an empty can from the weekend camping.

Oxycontin (among other Opioids) = Legal  /  Opium and other non-prescription opioids = illegal

Nabilone, Canasol, Marinol and Sativex = Legal  /  Marijuana = becoming increasingly legal, yet still poses problems

You sure that opium is illegal (for medical purposes)?

Looks to me like opium is Schedule II, and therefore should be legal with prescription.   deadiversion.usdoj.gov/21cf…
(Not that I know anything about this other than a minute of Googling)

pfwein wrote: Looks to me like opium is Schedule II, and therefore should be legal with prescription.   deadiversion.usdoj.gov/21cf…
(Not that I know anything about this other than a minute of Googling)

As far as my one minute search got me... The Harrison Act of 1914... led to near total prohibition of the use of heroin, cocaine, and opium.

They run DUI checkpoints just S of Moab too, which are designed to catch people coming from the Creek.  i wish this wonderful corner of our nation was not run by puritanical cultists (i.e., Republicans).

Bryan Gilmore wrote:

As far as my one minute search got me... The Harrison Act of 1914... led to near total prohibition of the use of heroin, cocaine, and opium.

I once had cocaine given to me in a medical setting to numb my nose and face while they stitched me up. And, no, it was not snorted. They soaked cotton in liquid and packed my nose and sinus with it. It did get me pretty high, though.

Hating on Law Enforcement, while easy and quite fun, is not the answer to this problem. They're hired to enforce the laws, that's what they're paid to do. We're slowly chipping away, with full legal use in MA, CO, WA, OR, CA, NV, ME, VT, AK and then for medical use, AZ, MT, NM, OK, AR, LA, FL, ND, MN, IL, MI, OH, WV, PA, MD, NJ, DE, RI, CT, NY and NH. That's more than half of the country. I just hate the whole, pot smokers sense of entitlement... it is a drug, it is kind of illegal, it is habit forming, it is bad for you and good for you.

plantmandan wrote:

I wonder how the current court would vote on a similar case today. Let me guess, 5-4 in favor of random searches. 

SCOTUS was bought and sold a few decades ago.

s.price wrote:

My wife has epilepsy. The pills they had her on kept her tired, unmotivated and loss of appetite.

Since getting her med card with prescription for herb she has tons of energy and motivation as well as a healthy appetite. And the seizures have stopped completely. The pills just reduced the frequency of seizures.
Since starting my battle with cancer using marijuana is the ONLY way I can get relief and appetite without resorting to Opiates.
My father was the same way.

When I was pulled over in OK I had a small bottle of THC oil tucked away in my suitcase. Even though I have a prescription for it I was breaking the law. If I had a script for Oxycontin I would not be breaking the law. Ignorance.

Back before marijuana was legal anywhere I made numerous trips to Texas and Louisiana to supply my dad and father in law to ease their suffering with herb. It helped both tremendously. As it does me.
So I was facing a felony for bringing relief to my loved ones with a freaking plant. Ignorance.

Until you have experienced the pain of such medical issues first-hand any argument against such use is once again ignorance. Not being able to carry a prescribed medicine of my choosing across state lines when that choice is affecting no one except for me is just wrong.
How some people can argue against a positive solution to a negative situation is beyond me.
Being profiled for living in a state that at least has approached the issue in an enlightened way by those who prefer to keep their heads in the sand is beyond ignorance.

I did refuse his request to search my vehicle. Know your rights.

The list of side effects for my wife's pills was too long to remember them all. The only side effect the thc oil has hit her with is an increase in sex drive. We both think we can live with that as a side effect :)

The answer was given upthread. 

Legalized recreational marijuana well regulated the same as alcohol and other forms prescribed by doctors and administered properly as medicine is the answer. 

But more importantly and properly stated, uniformity of law and Federal regulations that line up with state law is the answer.

I feel for people that need relief.....and I feel for the people trying to uphold the law both.

Am not hating on cops or the state but I am indicting the state and police complicity in state sanctioned oppression. That's criticality, as some mentioned above, our American birthright. The debate shouldn't be about following the law rather helping each other live better, in this case it means addressing this injustice, opioids, alcohol are legal, their use is destructive. MJ is illegal, its use being destructive is not substantiated in the medical literature, its efficacy in treating: epilepsy, cancer, rheumatoid, autism, sleep apnea, and on and on and on is well documented. Big pharma fights, of course it does, as do government and policing at their behest, at stake are billions they stand to lose to medical MJ. Why do folks who do not use speak loudest against those that do?
I will always vote in favor of the people. 

pfwein wrote:

You sure that opium is illegal (for medical purposes)?

Looks to me like opium is Schedule II, and therefore should be legal with prescription.   deadiversion.usdoj.gov/21cf…
(Not that I know anything about this other than a minute of Googling)

even if it is legal with a prescription, good luck getting one. Most doctors are gonna push you towards the pharmaceuticals and away from straight opium.

How does a thread about a likely pot smoker who is worried about getting caught turn into a thread about how PoT smoking should be legal because of medicinal uses and how government is evil?

Because Mountain Project Forums, that's how!

I assume the 'when in Rome' 'just don't break the law' fine citizens are observing sodomy laws as they travel the country!

Think of how hard it is for the poor law enforcement that has the burden of enforcing these laws, and now on top of that, they are legally compelled to also 'bust some stoners' cuz ya know 'Its the law'

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/04/21/12-states-ban-sodomy-a-decade-after-court-ruling/7981025/

ETA: thanks for sharing S Price, it is obvious from this thread that it is going to continue to take time for society to find compassion for people suffering  

Some facts

https://newsroom.aaa.com/2016/05/fatal-road-crashes-involving-marijuana-double-state-legalizes-drug/
1. fatal deaths from mva 's involving pot increased from 8 to 17%

https://www.consumerreports.org/cro/car-safety/car-crashes-are-up-in-states-with-legal-recreational-marijuana-iihs-hldi/index.htm
2.  Mvas that had pot involved up 6% in legalized states

On i read it.  It's fact that more Mvas are happening with people with pot in their system.  That is fact.

If anyone has an agenda here it is several of you that are so emotional over the topic.

Pete Spri wrote: On i read it.  It's fact that more Mvas are happening with people with pot in their system.  That is fact.

If anyone has an agenda here it is several of you that are so emotional over the topic.

I didn't read the study. But what Jaren is pointing out is that the study says nothing about causation - they only know more drivers had detectable THC in their systems, not that they were impaired at the time of the collision or that it was a contributing factor of the collision. (Again, just based on what you and he were summarizing). 

If wearing colored socks were outlawed for years and then it were suddenly legal, I would imagine you'd see an increase in motor vehicle collisions involving people wearing colored socks. Because there would be an increase in people wearing colored socks in general. An increase in people with thc in their systems should be expected in the general population after it is legalized, and the "fact" that you mention doesn't necessarily point to any more than that. 

What Em Cos said, I tend to be too harsh when I get excited. Look I really don't know you so apologies I read into your post. I meant what I said about S.Price speaking truth to power. We all should or at least as EmCos and Jaren have demonstrated look a bit further into what we accept as reality.

heads up ! weed is  a felony in Wyoming. nothing to laugh about there unless you want to lose your right to vote and own a firearm. 

There is  zero doubt that getting ripped impairs your driving. its a no brainer. Stoners that deny that  simple fact are just as bad as the drunks who claim to drive better with a buzz....   I know. I have been both of those morons...….

Nick Goldsmith wrote: heads up ! weed is  a felony in Wyoming. nothing to laugh about there unless you want to lose your right to vote and own a firearm. 

possession over 3 ounces is a felony in Wyoming

but oddly, edibles are quasi-legal because of a loophole in state law:

https://planetjh.com/2018/02/07/fear-the-reefer-as-the-nations-cannabis-laws-become-more-rational-wyoming-is-bucking-the-trend/

Hobo Greg wrote:

For a fuckin flowering bud of a PLANT.

 Smoking weed is cool and police suck but coke and dope come from plants too.