Double Belay Loop

Tradiban wrote: Tell that to Skinner. It's webbing sewn together as one unit, a separate unit would be twice as redundant.

This is not your usual insanity, like one inside the other? That sounds helpful and redundant ;)

Pot calling kettle black, much? I may not be quite as wise as some on here but you're trolling is often closer to insane than what I post. 

And, as mentioned above, with Skinner's attitude, a double belay would've only prolonged the inevitable. He kept using his harness well past the point that any sane climber would have retired it. Could be wrong but I think I remember reading somewhere that his harness was more geared towards sport climbing than walling, which just adds another layer of common sense missed. 

eli poss wrote:

Pot calling kettle black, much? I may not be quite as wise as some on here but you're trolling is often closer to insane than what I post. 

Just because you don't understand it doesn't make it a troll, but I digress...

And, as mentioned above, with Skinner's attitude, a double belay would've only prolonged the inevitable. He kept using his harness well past the point that any sane climber would have retired it. Could be wrong but I think I remember reading somewhere that his harness was more geared towards sport climbing than walling, which just adds another layer of common sense missed. 

Skinner had a new harness on the way, any delay would have saved his life. If he had two belay loops used in any configuration described thus far he would have lived.

Tradiban wrote: Just because you don't understand it doesn't make it a troll, but I digress...

Skinner had a new harness on the way, any delay would have saved his life. If he had two belay loops used in any configuration described thus far he would have lived.

It's not that the new harness didn't arrive in time, it was his attitude. If you're getting a new harness that's on the way because your old harness is way too worn, it might be a better choice to just wait to climb until the new harness gets to you. In hindsight we know that it definitely would have been a better choice to just wait for the new harness and put off climbing for a few days.

eli poss wrote:

It's not that the new harness didn't arrive in time, it was his attitude. If you're getting a new harness that's on the way because your old harness is way too worn, it might be a better choice to just wait to climb until the new harness gets to you. In hindsight we know that it definitely would have been a better choice to just wait for the new harness and put off climbing for a few days.

You're deflecting Poss. We're not talking about his attitude we're talking about two belay loops. Two are redundant and would ha e saved his life.

Tradiban wrote: Just because you don't understand it doesn't make it a troll, but I digress...

If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and can't have a discussion without thread-hijacking inflammatory comments, it's Tradiban the troll.

Everett wrote:

If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and can't have a discussion without thread-hijacking inflammatory comments, it's Tradiban the troll.

Ya, people just call me a troll cause they don't like my opinion. Thickin yer skin up buttercup.

eli poss wrote:

The regular figure 8 performs relatively well with ringloading and good enough for the forces that it would ever see. However, I have a backup knot just in case anyways. FWIW it's never even come close to capsizing and the tail hasn't slipped even a centimeter in the 2 years I've used it so far. 

This was mostly a bad joke... I recently posted something about getting called out for ring-loading, so figured I'd call the kettle black.

Everett wrote:

If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and can't have a discussion without thread-hijacking inflammatory comments, it's Tradiban the troll.

Look it's an ogre, it's an orc! nope it's just a troll

It's not about redundancy.  The second belay loop works great for multi pitch rappels and rope soloing.  Ever get tired of having your personal anchors stacking up on your belay device when making multiple rappels?  Attach your personal anchors on one loop, and your belay device on the other loop.  Two loops is nice for transitioning from rope solo mode with mini traxions to rappel mode.  An unweighted belay loop can be much easier to use in these transitions.  How did it take until the second page for somebody to call this out?  I had a harness with two belay loops for several years before I figured this out.

I have the BD Big Gun and found the double belay loops came in handy a few times but they are far from a necessity.  I have been on the search for the perfect wall harness and don't think it really exists.  I have been using the Cassin Warden for a while and for soloing I find it preferable to the Big Gun because of the two full strength loops on either side of the belay loop.  I use the extra tie in to attach a biner and clip my back up knot.  It keeps the tie in point and belay loop clear and seems to reduce cluster.   The one thing that I don't like about the harness are the gear loops, they suck and are too far back on the waist.  But, when wall climbing I am using a chest harness so the gear loop issue isn't that big a deal.