Finalising design on climbing jeans

For me you'd either have to beat the price on these, in slim-straight, 30x32. Or increase the durability so that they were cost effective. If your pants are gonna cost $100, then they'd better last at least 4 times as long. I suppose I'd be willing to pay a bit extra for nylon instead of cotton.

https://www.target.com/p/denizen-174-from-levi-s-174-slim-straight-fit-232-153-men-s-jeans-bushwick/-/A-51391080?preselect=50663025#lnk=sametab

Julian H wrote: 15 bucks at Costco https://www.costco.com/Urban-Star-Men%27s-Relaxed-Fit-Jean.product.100084867.html 

I have been using them for a couple of years and they fit better than most of my climbing pants

I have the money and normally have like 5 pairs of jeans so 5x75 = 375 and if they could last at least a year I would be cool with paying that for a daily wear pair of jeans that fit me well and I can climb in but never really notice the harness for daily use. Most of my jeans start out of daily use than as they gain wear they go from daily -> climbing (cut a ton of holes in them) -> off road / work on jeep pants -> trash.

If they do not have a gusseted crotch...I will not buy.

Eric Fjellanger wrote:

Go try on some women's jeans, numb nuts

Literally. Your nuts will go numb.

i haven't read all of the other posts but here are my thoughts:
1) make the front pockets nice and deep.  i have a couple pairs of OR pants that I otherwise love, but their tiny pockets suck balls.
2) tapered, relatively small leg cuffs.  bell bottoms suck balls.
3) a bit of a loose/comfort fit.  the skinny jeans thing sucks balls (i am looking at you BD...)
4) no integral belt, or make it easy to remove (again, BD i am looking at you).
5) light colors.  dark colored climbing pants suck balls (most companies - i am looking at you...)
6) tough, stretchy material.

Some great feedback everyone.
Your requests have been noted.
Allot of you seem to really want some dedicated climbing trousers, these jeans will be a synthetic, hemp blend so they will still absorb water but far less than cotton, we will be transitioning to organic hemp in July 2019 when our suppliers have the yarn. Fit is everything and after talking to the manufacturer every single pair on launch will be made to measure, this will not come with any significant overhead and this is why these are truly unisex, with this in mind does anybody still want a belt? There will be zippered pockets.
There will be a increase of durability over cotton jeans of at least 1000% (you will go through 10 pairs of jeans before you go through these). I can't make an estimate on the price yet as the yarn is still be developed. but it will be over $100.
For those wanting some dedicated climbing pants with bright colours and synthetic yarn don't worry those will be coming soon and you can expect a big step up in durability and fit over what is currently on the market.

that guy named seb wrote: Some great feedback everyone.
Your requests have been noted.
Allot of you seem to really want some dedicated climbing trousers, these jeans will be a synthetic, hemp blend so they will still absorb water but far less than cotton, we will be transitioning to organic hemp in July 2019 when our suppliers have the yarn. Fit is everything and after talking to the manufacturer every single pair on launch will be made to measure, this will not come with any significant overhead and this is why these are truly unisex, with this in mind does anybody still want a belt? There will be zippered pockets.
There will be a increase of durability over cotton jeans of at least 1000% (you will go through 10 pairs of jeans before you go through these). I can't make an estimate on the price yet as the yarn is still be developed. but it will be over $100.
For those wanting some dedicated climbing pants with bright colours and synthetic yarn don't worry those will be coming soon and you can expect a big step up in durability and fit over what is currently on the market.

What would be your return policy on these made-to-measure pants? 

I would not order a custom no-returns pair of pants, the way I would be willing to do with an equivalent-price-but-returnable pair.  

Built in harness. Jetboil loop, extendable chew pocket. And stretchy

Lena chita wrote:

What would be your return policy on these made-to-measure pants? 

I would not order a custom no-returns pair of pants, the way I would be willing to do with an equivalent-price-but-returnable pair. 

It all depends on the reason for return.

Adam Password wrote:I feel like you're jumping into an over saturated market. Maybe not a good business model. Kind of like opening a chic restaurant in San Fran. Pretty stupid and a good way to burn 500k in 6 months. If you're into burning money that is.  

Even if we purely marketed these to just climbers the market is plenty big and is completely lacking in any innovation on more casual clothing. while I may be asking for feedback on a climbing forum everyone wears jeans and the tech i'm bringing to these will bring plenty of benefits for all kinds of sports and even just casual use.

What's the distinction between climbing jeans and climbing pants? Blue denim, cotton, ... ?

What makes them "jeans" ?

Mae Rae wrote: What's the distinction between climbing jeans and climbing pants? Blue denim, cotton, ... ?

What makes them "jeans" ?

Technically it's the weave, twill. but in reality you can get jeans made from knit fabric or ones that are basically just yoga pants but look like jeans. Climbing pant's I'd say are suitable for summer alpine rock.

Most are really slim cut so the choice for us that do squats is either have them super tight on the glutes and thighs or loose in the waist and have to cinch down with a belt to keep them on.

I'd love a more athletic cut with more room in the back and thighs, but ride low, more on the hips than the waist.

Julian H wrote: Do you have a name or website for the company?

Yeah but it's completely empty, nothing to show yet.

Are you going to do any crowdfunding? 

Yes product launch will be funded from indiegogo or kickstarter.

Doug Chism wrote: Most are really slim cut so the choice for us that do squats is either have them super tight on the glutes and thighs or loose in the waist and have to cinch down with a belt to keep them on.

Something that fit more like Levi 541’s? Wider through the thigh and tapered down toward the leg opening?

People are saying the market is oversaturated, etc, but I’m into heaps of options due to fit and intended use. I’ve totally bought into the whole crag to town thing. Prana have been doing that pretty damn well - at least for “petit” men. (28x30 here) Their pants just have a higher rise. 
I’m definitely interested in what you’re developing, Seb. 

can there be integrated sensors and speaker so that when I hangdog, the speaker says “you’re not a climber!”, or “that’s not trad” if I don’t lower and pull rope after falling?  Preferably in Healy’s voice...

Step 1 - don't be the cost of the "we're not from Boulder" brand. Those were my favorite jeans for a while, but full price is not doable for replacing climbing jeans without gusseted crotch.

Tradgic Yogurt wrote: Step 1 - don't be the cost of the "we're not from Boulder" brand. Those were my favorite jeans for a while, but full price is not doable for replacing climbing jeans without gusseted crotch.

I didn't want to point anyone out in particular but boulder denim is possibly the worst offender on the market for using cheap materials and poor design choice, for their fabric they're using a cheap poly cotton with a hint of elastane, this is the same material found in the cheap skinny jeans, no gusseted crotch dramatically reduces the durability of the trousers, they use a metal zip for the zipper phone pocket, an excellent way to scratch up your phone, no articulation in the knee or seat, using a dwr in jeans is just shitting on the environment and raising prices for consumers all so they have a marketing point where they can lie about how environmentally friendly it is to be using flurocarbon based DWR's on a casual piece of clothing and all for the low low price of $148, i hope that's Canadian. But hey at least they're using YKK zips.

I use the urban jeans from Kohl's. 18.95 and lasted a whole season of climbing. Stretchy and durable.

Make some like those with some cooler features and that would be sweet. 

Joel higgins wrote: I use the urban jeans from Kohl's. 18.95 and lasted a whole season of climbing. Stretchy and durable.

Make some like those with some cooler features and that would be sweet. 

If you are looking for $20 jeans you will be disappointed, is a single season of climbing really all you expect out of your trousers?

that guy named seb wrote:

If you are looking for $20 jeans you will be disappointed, is a single season of climbing really all you expect out of your trousers?

Well I've used them for work. Which is rough on jeans, climbing , backpacking I wore them for 32 miles. I mean I've had them since January and beat the shit out of then. 

Considering the more expensive jeans I've bought haha. Ya I'd say these are pretty durable. For 18 bucks I'm satisfied. The fact the survive : tower climbing, hours in the sun on the flightline of an airport , and constantly being exposed to chemicals and survived all that ya.....

Oh and a season of climbing. Sure they aren't the lastest prana or whatever and I'm not a cool rock bro with fancy pants. But ya. 20 bucks works for me. I've always been on the bad side of current styles and trends.