First Ascent Ethical Conundrum - Here's your chance keyboard jockeys

Everett wrote:

King Tut, you're arguing with the author of gems like this: mountainproject.com/forum/t…

Its no argument dude. My second post in this thread has 37 "likes" and counting.

I win the thread trolling the troll.

King Tut wrote:

Its no argument dude. My second post in this thread has 37 "likes" and counting.

I win the thread.

37 likes still doesn't get you up 5.12 

It really is rare to see somebody transgress from having a decent climbing career to becoming an armchair instagram-"like" climber, YIKES.  

If you'd like to debate about the ethics of this particular incident, I will gladly continue the discussion, but your posts haven't really addressed any points VC has brought up. 

Jack C. wrote:

Can you link the video?

Vas, I think this will help you process your grief.

The Ethical Climber

Señor Arroz wrote:

Vas, I think this will help you process your grief.

The Ethical Climber

Sorry no links, only got 56k here in Mexican Hat. 

I feel like I answered the question directly. 

The only person that “deserves” a first ascent is the person who does the problem/route first. Does not matter who started to work it first. You invited the guy to climb the route, he did nothing wrong by sending it first, maybe by sharing the video but that does not seem to be the issue you are concerned with here. If you want to guarantee you get to send the problem first then don’t show it to anyone until you have made the first ascent. Easy peezy. 

Jake Jones wrote:

Doesn't look like the original question has been definitively answered- and that's likely because it was never definitively asked.  If your question was who really deserves the FA? it looks like the result is others asking who would want it?

Here's what I see:

This guy helped me establish a line, then he snaked the FA?  Is it legit?

Who cares, it's a POS.

YOU CAN'T CLIMB 5.12!  YOU HAVE NO VOICE HERE!

Still though, who cares it's a POS.

But do you climb 5.12 bro?

Then you referred to yourself in the third person, and that, combined with your profile pic is scary af.

Hope you get it worked out.  I don't know how you've been sleeping at night.

To be fair I've tried to engage Prince Tut. All he has said is that it's a bad climb (without climbing it) , he hasn't really brought up any other points relevant to my discussion of ethics.

Ryan Swanson wrote:

All I know is TR FA's don't mean shit.  Anyone who posts a route on MP or gets into a guidebook as a TRFA has some ego issues.

Man I wonder who you are talking about...

This sounds like one of those reading comprehension questions on some standardized test where they provide a ton of extra and irrelevant information to confuse you.  It's simple, climber B climbed it first and gets the First Ascent. It says so right in the name.  

Vas, pretty sure the consensus is that that you are whiny and butt hurt over your friend scooping you on a short dirty 1 bolt boulder problem...  

Dunno, I think it sucks that B snaked the FA. And advertised on an Instagram circle jerk? Damn Bs! 

I think that in this case, because climber A invited climber B to work the unclimbed route, however shitty it may or may not be, climber A must have accepted the scenario in which climber B gets the FA beforehand.  In other words, if someone wants the FA all to themselves, they shouldn't tell someone to hop on and take it.

It sucks to have someone, in a way, "steal" your project/FA from you, but climber A created the scenario for themselves.  

I don't think there is a moral dilemma here, only a ding to climber A's ego.  But personally, if I were climber B, I would have let A have it... especially if choss is involvedl.  ;)

Bill. of course it does. It also sucks that climber A turned it into an MP circle jerk instead of simply going to his friend and  telling his friend that it sucked being left out on send day. 

THIS IS ZACTLY THE SAME THANG I'M WORRIED ABOUT OVER AT MOUND WOODSON AREA SINCE ALL THE ROUTES ARE BEING SPRAYED ABOUT ON MP OH GAWD I THINK I'M STORKING OUT SOMEONE CALL NINEELEVEN!!!11!!

Nick Goldsmith wrote:

Bill. of course it does. It also sucks that climber A turned it into an MP circle jerk instead of simply going to his friend and  telling his friend that it sucked being left out on send day. 

Climber A did do this, Climber B had absolutely no regrets, clearly wanted the FA, Climber B even rounded up his non climbing brother for the send belay. 

now you know. next time you don't share with that dude.  

Why does any of this matter the FA was done on Top rope the first lead was done later. FA doesn't require leading just the first climb (may not even be clean)... so what you are really talking about is FCA and you can add other letters in there for the type of climb FFCA, FFTCA or FFSCA.

FFS!

my butt hurts just reading this thread

and dont forget the FRA!

Vas, is this your monthly troll?