Rapp Accident in Red Rock , Black Corridor.

Thank God we have another lower vs. rappel thread going. I just don't feel that the last 20 covered all the points.

Senior Hernandez wrote:

Also, people are still climbing with 10 mm ropes? I didn't know they even made those anymore. Exactly how fat are you to need a 10 mm rope?

What I take away from all this is that there is a certain crowd of "climbers?" who believe that their rope diameter is inversely proportional to their dick size.

Dave Kos wrote:

What I take away from all this is that there is a certain crowd of "climbers?" who believe that their rope diameter is inversely proportional to their dick size.

Perfect!

Dave Kos wrote:

What I take away from all this is that there is a certain crowd of "climbers?" who believe that their rope diameter is inversely proportional to their dick size.

<snort!> You owe me a new keyboard!

I wanted to leave this thread, but a thought occurred to me last night.

I'll acknowledge that I never paid much attention to the lower vs. rap debate.  I lower when it's trivial (mussy hooks) but otherwise don't untie.

I've been climbing over 20 years, dozens of partners, dozens of crags, hundreds, probably thousands, of single pitches.

I never lowered off a climb with the rope clipped to my belay loop, never saw a partner do it, never noticed anyone else do it.

Why is everyone hiding this from me?

;-)

Dave Kos wrote:

I never lowered off a climb with the rope clipped to my belay loop, never saw a partner do it, never noticed anyone else do it.

There’s the answer I was looking for last night.

Leslie McG wrote:

I keep reading this, and I don't disagree, but I do think that lowering takes another person and thus potential for additional human error, whereas rapping is relying only on one possibility for human error. To me the simplest way to avoid any of this is to always climb multipitch trad with walk offs! 

The fact that two people are doing things doesn't mean there are more places for error. In both setups, one person sets something up and one person does something during the trip down. That's one person-trip worth of opportunities for human error still, not 2.

Bill Kirby wrote:

There’s the answer I was looking for last night.

I hope that it brings you peace.

Josh Gates wrote:

The fact that two people are doing things doesn't mean there are more places for error. In both setups, one person sets something up and one person does something during the trip down. That's one person-trip worth of opportunities for human error still, not 2.

It does increase the error locations.

Lower

1. Climber has to setup the rope to come down on
2. Climber has to make sure belayer is awake and ready to lower
3. Belayer lowers the climber

Rappel

1. Climber has to setup the rope to come down on
2. Climber lowers himself

ViperScale wrote:

It does increase the error locations.

Lower

1. Climber has to setup the rope to come down on
2. Climber has to make sure belayer is awake and ready to lower
3. Belayer lowers the climber

Rappel

1. Climber has to setup the rope to come down on
2. Climber lowers himself

I always communicate in rappels as well - with the belayer, to ensure that the rope ends are down and there are no surprises below me, so 3 to 3. I could have the belayer walk away, but why, when I could get some potential help or a fireman's if things go sideways. Both are pretty trivial if communication is good, more difficult if not, so samey same.

Dave Kos wrote:

What I take away from all this is that there is a certain crowd of "climbers?" who believe that their rope diameter is inversely proportional to their dick size.

 You seem to keep bringing up other climbers dicks when you post. Why? I mean I know what Freud would say but is there another reason?

Jack Quarless wrote:

 You seem to keep bringing up other climbers dicks when you post. Why? I mean I know what Freud would say but is there another reason?

Why do you take a sudden interest in the conversation after I've posted a dozen times?

EDIT:  Got you PM. Sorry, no rendezvous in your tent.  Happily married, thanks.

Thanks Jack, thanks to you I'm now Person of the Year!

...but who knows, maybe I'm just being coy? ;-)

Dave Kos wrote:

Why do you take a sudden interest in the conversation after I've posted a dozen times?

My interest is not very “sudden”. Way to repress and deflect, I am not the one constantly talking about the size of other people’s cocks in order to win losing arguments.

that pm was obviously from frank, leave me out of your cock strewn fantasies.

Josh Gates wrote:

I always communicate in rappels as well - with the belayer, to ensure that the rope ends are down and there are no surprises below me, so 3 to 3. I could have the belayer walk away, but why, when I could get some potential help or a fireman's if things go sideways. Both are pretty trivial if communication is good, more difficult if not, so samey same.

Sure you do but it is not a requirement and a failure to do so would not end in death / serious injury like a failure in the other 3.

You seem triggered, Jack.  

I'm not even arguing, but I can if you want me to ;-)

Not triggered, I am just curious why you talk about the size of other climbers cocks. It’s a strange way to try and win an argument and has nothing to do with rapping or lowering. Plus, you still haven’t aswered the question.

Jack Quarless wrote:

Not triggered, I am just curious why you talk about the size of other climbers cocks. It’s a strange way to try and win an argument and has nothing to do with rapping or lowering. Plus, you still haven’t aswered the question.

The jokes were banter in response to some people taking themselves too seriously over their sleek thin ropes. It got some laughs, and most folks here are thick-skinned enough not to get worked up over it.

If you were paying attention instead of scanning for certain words that interest you, you'd have understood that I never told anyone how to lower, rap, or whatever.  Because I'm not arguing.  Do whatever you want to do.

You seem to be wound pretty tight over this. I can't help you with that.

Peace

Jack Quarless wrote:

Not triggered, I am just curious why you talk about the size of other climbers cocks. It’s a strange way to try and win an argument and has nothing to do with rapping or lowering. Plus, you still haven’t aswered the question.

Well... I mean... what do you talk about at the crag?

FrankPS wrote:

Asking how fat someone is because they use a 10mm rope is equally dumb. And insulting. Get it? You brought this on yourself.  

Dude, comprehension fail. What the hell are you talking about?  I only asked about his cock fantasies, which he still won’t address. You seem to be so emotional you can’t follow the thread. Maybe you need to step back and relax.