Response to Flash Foxy & Outside Magazine Article

I'm guessing you don't really see the irony in this... ^

Dankasaurus wrote:
Is it highly male dominated when women are pulling moves whilst actually in contact with the rock?

If the answer is no, what's the difference between this debate and any other on Wellesley campus?

If the answer is yes then I don't care because there's nothing I can do.

(( Then I, quoted someone else.)(?)( who's rational answer sums it up well enough
in my
(Some even might say,) Arrogant mysagenistic opinion.))

Mr. Dankasaurus:
I can't believe you would post a question like this.

I believe all rational adult climbers would most emphatically agree that climbing is a male dominated sport, indoor or outdoor.

This applies to any location at any time. Saying anything otherwise is reduction to absurdity.

This whole "debate" is highly specific, not to be confused or considered relative to "other things and stuff going on."

The fact that you are so quick to say that you don't care, or that there's nothing you can do, is evidence supporting that you simply don't give a shit.

This mentality and worldview hurts other people.

Climbing may always have more male participants than female participants, that's not the point.

The point is to, as a man, take a few moments out of your busy life and reflect on what it is like for women.

The vast majority of women just want to climb and be treated like regular climbers.

They don't need a bunch of bullshit from other men.

Such reflection may help you better understand, which then may lead to positive reform.

The only person you can change is yourself, then in turn you can help positively influence others.

There is a time and a place for joking around, believe me I love joking around.

this thread Is, NOW At 21 pages, A Joke.
Fixed that for U,,

Ya, I know, (#1) but how could I resist ? I've already got all I need and then some.
"....................advice on averting my eyes when anything I might want to look at is in view................

I think some 'round Here might need to get some (More?, advice on sensitivity. )but that's just an opinion.

Thnx for the compliment I strive to retain my middle school boyishness,
That is when (in '70s ) I climbed circles around the likes (of most ) of you !

And too add :
With-out any springy things, curved nuts or light weight gear .
Hammer and Pins, a hex or two, maybe?
I was 1st taken climbing by a women.
She banged in iron and we removed those six pins
to go climb another route the same day.......
You are welcome for the holds, it made
and for us having Changed,
to CLEAN climbing ethics,( no permanent anything, if possible )
Cheers
go get some!
Get it while it's fresh and young, or virgin!
before it is all caked with foundation;makeup; (chalk, to hide its age)

Because the comprehension of many here is at the 10th grade level; that was a
Double entandra'
Virgin,,,,,,,,,, stone
unclimbed
Go......
put up a climb ground up on-sight
With a wire brush, if it flexes ? Pull down not out!
Take no credit,,, leave no trace place protection from stances
,,Climb don't hang !

did I help kill this thread?

GOOD!

"lol at white males" = Antonio Caligiuri

Jacob Smith
Sep 19, 2016
From Bishop, CA
Joined Oct 24, 2013
87 points

Although you make some valid points regarding the voluntary nature of the survey, this "open letter" quickly veers into the realm of "if I haven't noticed it, it doesn't exist." Now, I have actually seen blatant sexual harassment of a female climber at a climbing area, but that's beside the point. Unless you have a better survey you want to cite, your intuitive sense of how often women are getting harassed it basically meaningless.
I'm not going to go through your essay point by point but a lot of what you cite as normal human behavior just betrays your ignorance of changing sexual norms. There was a time when it was considered acceptable for men to approach random women in everyday life that they find attractive and attempt to converse with them for no other reason than that they find them attractive. This is no longer the case. If you want to find women to flirt with, there are about 100 dating websites created for that exact reason, climbing gyms are for climbing and men need to learn that the random women they come across are not acceptable targets for their sexual advances merely by virtue of their being in a public space. Jacob Smith

Tim Lutz
Sep 19, 2016
From Seattle, WA
Joined Aug 10, 2013
251 points

Looking at booty shorts is a 'micro-aggression' LOLZ

No one wears 2 ounces of fabric on their butt because they need to; it is because they want people to look.

but if you do: micro-aggression you misogynist pig-fvcker!

The title should be 'How Gender Affects Your Experience at the Gym'

Try this 'study' at Planet Fitness, I'd love to see those numbers

Now it is 10/16/16 Think i'll just leave you all a like to a thread that fits right in

mountainproject.com/v/what-…

If you want a summary of this post "men are bad". "Talking to women is bad". " noticing pretty women is bad"

Yury wrote:A troll admonishing other trolls? Is this trolling of a second order?

If the shoe fits...

Hey SinRopa, is that your dog/sheep/pony/polar bear on the couch? Pretty awesome huge! They do look comfy, I have to say.

relevant..

eveningsends.com/when-femin…

First we should all observe that this publication is there to make money not reveal truth. This argument only shows the hypocrisy that is our current world. The same people that say we should follow nature and eat natural and we need to get back to nature are fighting our most basic instincts. While we can all agree there are plenty of douches in the world the rest of us horrible men are simply human. To chastise a man for being attracted to a female wearing clothing that leaves no nook or crannie untraced is ridiculous. Nature is nature. It also happens to be a fact that men grow larger muscles that women. By design women are weaker that is not sexist it's science. That doesn't set the value of a person only that we are different. I've been climbing since 95 and have seen very few unwarranted advances on females at the crag it's unfortunate but this is life we have to deal with these things. It may help females to change their perspective of compliments. I was recently told by a lady at least 15 years my elder that my wearing shorts was giving her hot flashes, I didn't freak out I shrugged it off and laughed about it as I walked away. We are human both sexes are attracted to each other in all manner of ways. This is supposed to be a "sport" of adventure not for so many timid and delicate in their feelings.

peakest wrote:relevant.. eveningsends.com/when-femin…

climbing friend,

Microaggression, macro judgment, and internet-wang-slapping!!!

eveningsends.com/when-femin…

"In fact, I would argue that if Shelma herself changed and tried voicing her fears openly to her male climbing partners, instead of harboring an internal resentment toward them, she might have found a type of support that she’d never expected."

website weinerbends.com most clever for capitalization on controversy and receive many clicks for the traffic and the revenue!!!

This inspires me to start a thread called "Ask a badass, Davila Gurian". I was afraid REI would ban me from the internet so I didn't do it.

... and the battle of the sexes continues. Wang slapping, hot flashes, and resentment.

This thread has run its course for me - completely humorous.

Remember when Evening Sends posted those awesome "Day I Sent" essays? That was cool.

C. Archibald wrote:Remember when Evening Sends posted those awesome "Day I Sent" essays? That was cool.

Yep. looks like this ones give more profit.

Aleks Zebastian wrote:weinerbends.com

I clicked on the link and was greatly disappointed.

Aleks Zebastian wrote: eveningsends.com/when-femin… "In fact, I would argue that if Shelma herself changed and tried voicing her fears openly to her male climbing partners, instead of harboring an internal resentment toward them, she might have found a type of support that she’d never expected."

refreshing read for sure

This thread has made Aleks so upset, he forgot to start with "climbing friend,"

dino74 wrote:This thread has made Aleks so upset, he forgot to start with "climbing friend,"

climbing friend,

it has been edit

all your flash are belong to me

"she might have found a type of support that she’d never expected." Yes, she might have. maybe. But do not take for granted the fragile male ego, which when put on the defensive often goes into attack mode. I have no references for this besides being a male of 34 years, but i'm sure many agree on this. Can we also agree that there has been a history of oppression against certain sexes? Having grit probably works in some cases, other times it could inflame a situation and could pose real danger like further oppression or physical harm.

Isn't rule #1 of quality relationships Mutual Respect? That includes accepting another's opinion as credible. You can disagree, but to disagree, and on that basis not accept the reality of that opinion, is folly, and defines disrespect.

Here is a standard practice in my field to illustrate : A nurse gives their patient pain medication based on the patients report of pain or non-verbal signs upon assessment. They DO NOT say to that person, "You're not in pain, no meds for you". See the parallel? Come on people!

Rick Blair wrote:This inspires me to start a thread called "Ask a badass, Davila Gurian". I was afraid REI would ban me from the internet so I didn't do it.

You...do realize that the whole point of those threads is to actually have that person post, right? Do you know Davila Gurian personally?

She can't be that hard to find. Based on her article I think she lurks on this site. Go for it Ted.

Err...I am a lonely peon, I have no authority over MP or the Ask a threads. It's all you!