top rope anchor setup with webbing instead of static rope

T Roper wrote:Of course living in the TR capitol of the NE , I see folks use static that has been threaded through webbing for a double whammy of safety!

OMFG!!!!!

I know you said you want to use webbing, but buying a 100' length of 11mm static line was one of the best investments I ever made. With it, I can make a solid, redundant anchor almost anywhere. If there's a long hike in, then I will use different options, of course.

Looking at that picture from OP, no one has an issue with a bowline for an unmonitored TR anchor setup?

Stich wrote: OMFG!!!!!

TRpoer made it sound like the static line is inserted in the webbing over it's entire length for a "for a double whammy of safety!"

That's not what I've seen. Those that I have seen do this use a short length (or two) of webbing over the static line and position it where the static line runs over the edge. It's only to help protect the static line from edge abrasion.

I've never seen anyone thread the whole length of static line through an equal length of webbing to make one massive thick anchor. But, I don't know where TRoper climbs. So, maybe he knows people that do this.

JohnReg wrote:Looking at that picture from OP, no one has an issue with a bowline for an unmonitored TR anchor setup?

Absolutely fine as shown.

wivanoff wrote:Thought this was already beaten to death by Joey from NEGuiding... rockclimbing.com/cgi-bin/fo…;post=2581632;page=1;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;mh=25;

Wow, I'd forgotten about that gem...

#SAVENJNOVILANPISSBUCKIT

Someone said it Chains and Steel 'bieners, to go over the edge, if
you're running a TR (all-day) program
is not a bad way to go. depending on the distance of the approach.

wivanoff wrote: TRpoer made it sound like the static line is inserted in the webbing over it's entire length for a "for a double whammy of safety!" That's not what I've seen. Those that I have seen do this use a short length (or two) of webbing over the static line and position it where the static line runs over the edge. It's only to help protect the static line from edge abrasion. I've never seen anyone thread the whole length of static line through an equal length of webbing to make one massive thick anchor. But, I don't know where TRoper climbs. So, maybe he knows people that do this.

Oops wrong quote, Hey there Bill!
To be fair I've have used the same pieces of -Fire Hose- as a rope protectors for forty years.
You can get a bunch of different widths and type, rubber thin/thick walled, for different applications.

The local Fire house should be a place you have at least scoped out if not volunteered to:
When the shjtt hits the wind machine, it is often the fabulous in our society, That need to be roped /carried out. it is often the ability of a solid climber, that saves the day.

NEAlpineStart wrote: Where is the TR capitol of the NE by chance? And I'll have to say a properly set up extended TR setup will always be safer, more durable, and longer lasting than a webbing equivalent. It is industry standard in the guiding industry for good reason.

the Top Rope Capital of the Northeast?
Where TRoper climbs,
Is
CONNECTECUT of course!

Every year this time of year I ask if someone to
meet me at Shelton High , ? . . . . . ? . . . .
Edit: 12/1/16 Now!?

it seems that My driving/presence at an all day Gymnasium located State
Tournament won't be needed this time!
Ha
Any one want climb in Brookfeild ? Exit 7/11 off Rt84
Stew's View, ( moderate, eay bouldering) to BCWYWF* ( off the Indian Motorcycle parking lot*)

• Be Careful What You Wish For

(*SOME TIMES, Wet, Scary Serious -this long dry spell not so much:)
reason for . ...A ToP, hung, (Rope climb, protected to pre hung) to top out/clean
clip for pro,
(Prussics & knots.)
Safest way to be Ice climbing this,
I'll say no more here.

So it is this Weekend coming up??

Cheers
Let's toprop ~ T Roper!

Webbing works.

Static is burlier, and gives you more options.

NEAlpineStart wrote: Where is the TR capitol of the NE by chance?

The gunks are the premier TR crag in the states. Hundreds of 4 star TR lines at the 'brook.

m kelley wrote: The gunks are the premier TR crag in the states. Hundreds of 4 star TR lines at the 'brook.

THATS THE "BANK", there's a story there. . . . FATTRADAD. .?

But really !!!
Hahahahanbrawhaha! snort chuckles choke , spill the . .. .,.. .
I love me some Donald Perry routes!
The guy and his climbing are legit !
It may seem like its bullshjt, but it is not.

donald perry wrote:There is a TR possible to the right of Missing Links. Anyone interested in doing that on Saterday or Sunday? It looks kind of boring with a lot of long reaches over rounded uninspiring holds, (I could be wrong) after the first 20 I think it gets less interesting. Maybe a 1 star total, gotta see. Near the top it's going to go right or left ... I did Missing Links. May also be something better to the right of Presto or George's Wake-Up Call, but they may be 1 star. Looks like the upper part of Presto has protection. The Beach is an easy place to toprope because the cliff is short, but if it's not over 4 stars I would not bother adding it to MP.

Someone strong should take him up on his offer to show off what he is all about!
Honestly an amazing amount of what he has climbed is nothing short of visionary
Millbrook has a long history of Top roping,
It was just not recorded or reported due to the legality of climbing out there.
It was illegal and Fattraddad's job to bust us!

Stich wrote: You use one long piece of webbing. Sorry if I was being unclear. It's called a Wrap-3-Pull-2 anchor. A 25 to 30 ft. single piece of webbing works nicely. Here's a picture: In rescue literature you'll see it abbreviated W3P2. Now of course you have to choose a BFT(Big Fuckin' Tree) or a PBFT(Pretty Big Fuckin' Tree) to wrap it on. Otherwise, you're SOL.

You spoiled people and your BF trees.

This, just FWIW, is also how anchors can be built off of several bomber sagebrush. Useful when the nearest trees are ten miles away at the golf course down on the flats.

OLH

Michael C wrote:Webbing works. Static is burlier, and gives you more options.

Explain the "more options" please.

Michael Schneider wrote: Let's toprop ~ T Roper!

I'm up for it, you bring the chain!
;)

T Roper wrote: Explain the "more options" please. I'm up for it, you bring the chain! ;)

OK!

PATERSON FALLS RIG
Steel bayonet locking 'bieners 'n Chain;
Doesn't everyone Top rope safely?

In response to:
Webbing works. Static is burlier, and gives you more options.

T Roper wrote: Explain the "more options" please.

The ability to put one's tether on a prusik, to slide it down the static rope and work at the edge. There's one option you lose if you set up with webbing.

Rapping off the "long tail" of the static rope to get below the masterpoint when one wishes to rap the route. This avoids the risks inherent with "batmanning" down to get below the masterpoint. People use the tail with a Grigri or Munter; neither works with webbing. That's a second option you don't have with webbing.

I also find clove hitches less practical in webbing.

But I get it - some folks get along just fine with webbing and don't like to be told there's another way.

Gunkiemike wrote:In response to: Webbing works. Static is burlier, and gives you more options. The ability to put one's tether on a prusik, to slide it down the static rope and work at the edge. There's one option you lose if you set up with webbing. Rapping off the "long tail" of the static rope to get below the masterpoint when one wishes to rap the route. This avoids the risks inherent with "batmanning" down to get below the masterpoint. People use the tail with a Grigri or Munter; neither works with webbing. That's a second option you don't have with webbing. I also find clove hitches less practical in webbing. But I get it - some folks get along just fine with webbing and don't like to be told there's another way.

I never have to do any of that and never see people doing any of what you mention but it all makes sense if you dont feel comfortable improvising with less gear. People in the east do love their static lines.

T Roper wrote: Explain the "more options" please.

What Gunkiemike said, and then some. I love my static rope. It's a tool.

Whenever I see webbing in use (where I climb) outside of rap slings it's usually by the noobish sort. It's all good though. It's strong, it's light, cheap, and it gets the job done.

Michael C wrote: What Gunkiemike said, and then some. I love my static rope. It's a tool. Whenever I see webbing in use (where I climb) outside of rap slings it's usually by the noobish sort. It's all good though. It's strong, it's light, cheap, and it gets the job done.

Ha,n00bs, yeah!

FWIW, I would buy 60-75 feet of 11mm Static line. It will last years and it is almost indestructible. When we toprope, we often climb to the right and left of the masterpoint which can rub the rigging over the edge. No worries with the static line.

Michael Schneider wrote:Someone said it Chains and Steel 'bieners, to go over the edge, if you're running a TR (all-day) program is not a bad way to go. depending on the distance of the approach...

I use the 4" webbing available at any truck stop, that truckers use for load tie-down. It's pretty cheap, too. (You may need to to cut the steel hook off the end.) The width is an advantage: you can wrap it on a tree without damaging the bark, and it can go over all kinds of edges without damage. Rated at 235 kN, I'm not sure even chain could match it for strength, and it's much lighter and easier to pack in. Steel 'biners will break long before it does.