Crags are NOT Dog Parks

To add fuel to the fire, what about the fact that two dogs running around wildly playing with each other cause like, twenty times the erosion that two humans would cause? Whether you want to believe it or not, dogs have an impact just like we do. Even more so if they are running around like crazy beasts.

Personally I think it would take a whole lotta gumption for someone to actually tell someone they are an inconsiderate dog owner face to face. So much easier to vent about it online. Nothin will change until you directly call people out in the moment, particularly in front of everyone else.

I will add something. Not kidding, and not trolling.

All you people with children: They are not perfect, they can be annoying. At a restaurant, in the store, out in public. But do we can them at home in a room? Do we tether them to a tree and tell them to shut up? No- We incorporate them into our shared experiences. We socialize with one another. We adjust and adapt to the things that are important to other people, even if it's not "your thing."

Same goes for dogs. Be tolerant and open-minded. Let yourself be okay with something that you are not initially psyched about. In other words, chill out and let the situation unfold to its natural equilibrium. Everything is going to be okay.

Yeah, be tolerant of dogs walking on your stuff, humping your leg and shitting where you walk. More like "be tolerant" with the owners not giving a shit or not paying attention. It's not the dog it's the owner. If they walk on your rope and shit at the crag without cleanup then the owners have already dropped the ball. It's shouldn't happen in the first place. Just prevent that stuff from happening! Then there's no need for the extra tolerance.

Russ Keane wrote:Same goes for dogs. Be tolerant and open-minded. Let yourself be okay with something that you are not initially psyched about. In other words, chill out and let the situation unfold to its natural equilibrium. Everything is going to be okay.

I choose the "not my clowns, not my circus" policy in both instances. So many times when I'm running with my dog on leash I get unleashed dogs causing a shit show when I'm out on the local river trail. I just drag my dog on through and ignore the owner falling over themselves to apologize, or their hateful stares, or whatever. I'm handling my dog and my situation, they can handle theirs.

The problem that can occur with dogs at the crags, is the owner is usually really not handling the situation. They can't. Their hands are full. Be realistic and honest about the situation rather than trying to make it everyone else's problem.

But, hell, I knowingly do shit that will annoy others all the time. That's also your right. You just don't get to determine others' interpretations of your behavior.

Russ Keane wrote:I will add something. Not kidding, and not trolling. All you people with children: They are not perfect, they can be annoying. At a restaurant, in the store, out in public. But do we can them at home in a room? Do we tether them to a tree and tell them to shut up? No- We incorporate them into our shared experiences. We socialize with one another. We adjust and adapt to the things that are important to other people, even if it's not "your thing." Same goes for dogs. Be tolerant and open-minded. Let yourself be okay with something that you are not initially psyched about. In other words, chill out and let the situation unfold to its natural equilibrium. Everything is going to be okay.

First of all, the CCC is the landowner and states, ""We strongly recommend leaving your pet at home. If you do bring your dog, please be sure to keep it leashed and under control at all times, be sure your pet has plenty of food and water and is safely out of the way of other climbers. No one wants to step in dog waste, so pack accordingly and clean up after your pet and pack it out."

Secondly, comparing dogs to children is a poor comparison.

It is not anyone else's responsibility to try to deal with someone's dog. Plus, it is not right to disrespect others enjoyment of climbing just because someone may feel that they cannot leave their dog at home or on a leash.

^^^^^. YES! This! A responsible dog owner. Being realistic.

Edit: to Mustards comment.

Did you trying talking with the dog owners?

I'm sure if you had expressed your concerns related to the dog impacting your safety (dealing with dogs while belaying) and experience they would have been receptive and a compromise could have been found.

If the owners aren't receptive, shame on them.

If you're talking about Joshua Tree, they were breaking the rules and you have the right to be upset. Dog's must be on leash at all times within the park.

climbing friend,

I will cook your dog and I will eat it!

power meat, most delicious, it helps stiffen my neck meat and guns, and boosting the energy, for bold flash upcoming.

people, dogs, and babies and children they all are annoying. if you do not like, don't live in urban cesspool and go to the climbing rocks where there are many people, dogs, and babies. perhaps find yourself more remote area requiring 20+ minute approach.

Jordan Marvel wrote:If you're talking about Joshua Tree

I think the OP is referring to Hidden Valley in Virginia.

Aleks Zebastian wrote:climbing friend, I will cook your dog and I will eat it! power meat, most delicious, it helps stiffen my neck meat and guns, and boosting the energy, for bold flash upcoming. people, dogs, and babies and children they all are annoying. if you do not like, don't live in urban cesspool and go to the climbing rocks where there are many people, dogs, and babies. perhaps find yourself more remote area requiring 20+ minute approach.

I always find your comments very entertaining, carry on!

BigB wrote: " You 2 should fight

I prefer to do all my fighting on the internet, thanks

Curtis Baird wrote:I was climbing up at Hidden Valley yesterday. I saw at least 5 unleashed dogs and at one point there were more dogs than people at a wall. All day I had dogs walking on my rope and every time I tried to eat I would have a group of dogs around me. Not to mention there was dog crap everywhere. The answer to this problem is simple. People either need to not bring their dog or keep them leashed were they cannot bother anyone and pick up after them. I feel like this is obvious.

Poor little baby. The horror.
Maybe your mommy can make you a sandwich and then you'll feel all better.

Aleks Zebastian wrote:requiring 20+ minute approach.

The Landowner of this crag REQUIRES dogs to be leashed!!
PERIOD!

Jeff G. wrote: Poor little baby. The horror. Maybe your mommy can make you a sandwich and then you'll feel all better.

What is your point?

Jon Frisby wrote: I prefer to do all my fighting on the internet, thanks

Talking to dog owners about their mutts is pointless. They all think their little cuties are just the best thing nature ever put on this planet. If you make a reasonable argument about what their dogs are doing you get either an aggressive response or a completely blank stare indicating that they couldn't possibly understand why anyone would take offense at their little darling.

Curtis Baird wrote: What is your point?

Translation of Jeff G's post: I own a dog and don't give a fuck what you think. Baby. Also, I think I want a sandwich for lunch. Not sure. Shit, is Charlene back from lunch, I really need her to answer phones while I run to Subway.

If I am elected president of Mountain Project I promise to build a wall between all dogs and all crags.