Mountaineer Coil Problem

Collin Holt wrote:... Talking shit about the mountains in Colorado is just funny...

Sure thats why you can walk your dag to 14K on most of them. I can seek out a challenge in Co but in Ca I am sure to find one just about every time. And we agree on the pack thing completely.

Whoever told you that is misinformed...Also most of the badass mtns in the sierra are not 14ers. I think you might be on the wrong forum... this is a climbing forum...

maybe you would have more luck @ 14ers.com???

Clint White wrote:you will find exactly zero rope bags in the mountains

+1 ...to my disbelief, it seems necessary that I should explain this: even if Mammut produces an alpine rope bag, names it in my honor and awards me a fat sponsorship, I still won't use a rope bag for alpine climbing.

Jeremy in Inyokern wrote:Most of the mountain routes I've climbed were solo.

This too is somehow a mystery.

Collin Holt wrote:Whoever told you that is misinformed...

Like I said you can find hard things to do in Co but any common terrier can get to 14K+ on the vast majority of Co peaks on simple class one trails, roads and scrambles. Random sample of 11 Co 14'ers. routes over class 3 = Zero.

California Mountaineering begins where Colorado leaves off.

1. Mt. Elbert: A relatively easy hike

2. Mount Massive: You must be able to read the topo map to climb this route.

3. Mount Harvard: vehicles may take the left fork and head...to ...10,800'. It's a drive interupted by a short hike.

4. Blanca Peak: The drive is harder than the most popular route.

5. La Plata Peak: A short scramble

6. Uncompahgre Peak: Class 2

7. Crestone Peak: Class 3

8. Mount Lincoln: climb with 9. Mt Democrat and before 10. Mt Bross as many climbers like to bag all three the same day. Any of the 3 mountains are pretty easy on their own.

11. Castle Peak: Class 2+

Jeremy in Inyokern wrote: Like I said you can find hard things to do in Co but any common terrier can get to 14K+ on the vast majority of Co peaks on simple class one trails, roads and scrambles. Random sample of 11 Co 14'ers. routes over class 3 = Zero. California Mountaineering begins where Colorado leaves off. 1. Mt. Elbert: A relatively easy hike 2. Mount Massive: You must be able to read the topo map to climb this route. 3. Mount Harvard: vehicles may take the left fork and head...to ...10,800'. It's a drive interupted by a short hike. 4. Blanca Peak: The drive is harder than the most popular route. 5. La Plata Peak: A short scramble 6. Uncompahgre Peak: Class 2 7. Crestone Peak: Class 3 8. Mount Lincoln: climb with 9. Mt Democrat and before 10. Mt Bross as many climbers like to bag all three the same day. Any of the 3 mountains are pretty easy on their own. 11. Castle Peak: Class 2+

Well said ..Yes I agree you will have more success with your climbing by competing with terriers. Mine could only handle up to third class and probable like yourself needed a top rope on forth... Best of Luck

My toy poodle only climbs grade VI and 5.10. Pathetic!

😉

Jeremy in Inyokern wrote: Like I said you can find hard things to do in Co but any common terrier can get to 14K+ on the vast majority of Co peaks on simple class one trails, roads and scrambles. Random sample of 11 Co 14'ers. routes over class 3 = Zero. California Mountaineering begins where Colorado leaves off.

You're starting a pissing contest between two mountain ranges? Seriously? How old are you, 7?

T340 wrote:My toy poodle only climbs grade VI and 5.10. Pathetic! 😉

Do you think your poodle would lead my Russell's on a few climbs?....Its raining in UK .. nothing else to do ..Bye the way I always use Mt Coil .. so do my terriers

Of course he'll lead! We just need to feed him some Jimmy Dean sausage patties beforehand.

I mountain coil the rope, stick it in a rope bag, cram a platypus in there and strap it to my border collie. Then I sit in the car and watch him run around.

If this thread were a trail, you all would be bushwhacking with burrs in your laces and sand in your britches. We have lost the trail, now it is every man, woman, and dog for itself! Totally hilarious.

Back to the OP topic, I am still trying to figure out how to do the over under method on the mountaineer coil. I maybtry it at home since I really do understnd what the over under or inside out part is about, but once again you cannot get the end run thru the coil or there will be a knot for every loop. This should be bear impossible to do anyway since you are already tied in to your harness.

Can we agree on this?
Mountaineer coil to take slack when 2+ people (or dogs) are roped up. Look up Kiwi Coil.
Butterfly coil when prepping to transport a rope - without a rope bag - up to a pitch, etc, on a mountain.

If this thread were a trail, you all would be bushwhacking with burrs in your laces and sand in your britches. We have lost the trail, now it is every man, woman, and dog for itself! Totally hilarious.

Back to the OP topic, I am still trying to figure out how to do the over under method on the mountaineer coil. I maybtry it at home since I really do understnd what the over under or inside out part is about, but once again you cannot get the end run thru the coil or there will be a knot for every loop. This should be bear impossible to do anyway since you are already tied in to your harness.

Can we agree on this?
Mountaineer coil to take slack when 2+ people (or dogs) are roped up. Look up Kiwi Coil.
Butterfly coil when prepping to transport a rope - without a rope bag - up to a pitch, etc, on a mountain.

Clint White wrote: ...Totally hilarious. Back to the OP topic, I am still trying to figure out how to do the over under method on the mountaineer coil. I maybtry it at home since I really do understnd what the over under or inside out part is about, but once again you cannot get the end run thru the coil or there will be a knot for every loop. This should be bear impossible to do anyway since you are already tied in to your harness.

Yeah, like I said a few posts back, the over/under is only good for coiling your rope for travel, like you do with the butterfly. I don't know if it's possible to use the over/under to do the kiwi (while climbers are tied in). I don't even think it's necessary, as you're not taking in enough coils to cause significant twist.

But yeah, lol! Bags and dogs and 14'ers. Holy balls. Dude's whack.

Jeremy in Inyokern wrote: Like I said you can find hard things to do in Co but any common terrier can get to 14K+ on the vast majority of Co peaks on simple class one trails, roads and scrambles. Random sample of 11 Co 14'ers. routes over class 3 = Zero. California Mountaineering begins where Colorado leaves off. 1. Mt. Elbert: A relatively easy hike 2. Mount Massive: You must be able to read the topo map to climb this route. 3. Mount Harvard: vehicles may take the left fork and head...to ...10,800'. It's a drive interupted by a short hike. 4. Blanca Peak: The drive is harder than the most popular route. 5. La Plata Peak: A short scramble 6. Uncompahgre Peak: Class 2 7. Crestone Peak: Class 3 8. Mount Lincoln: climb with 9. Mt Democrat and before 10. Mt Bross as many climbers like to bag all three the same day. Any of the 3 mountains are pretty easy on their own. 11. Castle Peak: Class 2+

Reviving this post... two words. LONGS PEAK

One face, close to town. and a Chihuahua can walk to the base.

HAHAHA... that's a good one! No dogs allowed in RMNP. But hey what do I know...

So for sake of argument.... Why not carry a rope bag on a alpine climbing route? Particularly something like the metolius backpack style one. Cram the rope, rack, shoes, lunch and water inside. When it come time to climb, the approach shoes go in and the rock shoes come out. and now you have a daypack big enough (but not too big) to hold your extra layers too. Also the rope tarp could be marginally useful in a bivy situation.

-B