fixed rope at fin wall

I took a fixed line down at the fin wall. A friend told me that it had been there a while. If this is yours, let me know.

AdamFerro wrote:I took a fixed line down at the fin wall. A friend told me that it had been there a while. If this is yours, let me know.

So it's definitely not yours, why would you take it?

nicelegs wrote: So it's definitely not yours, why would you take it?

Because it's an eyesore

Thank you for helping keep this place clean.

I don't know the details. I don't know where it was or if it was tat yet or a decent rope fixed. I also don't know who fixed it. I know it wasn't there this fall.

I do know that the vast majority of fixed lines (as in every fixed line that isn't on a big wall) belongs to someone either putting up routes or repairing bolts. So other than the satisfaction of a couple internet blowhards stroking your taint, you've succeeded in making the place worse.

Everyone wants new routes and new bolts, nobody wants to see them go in.

nicelegs wrote: I do know that the vast majority of fixed lines (as in every fixed line that isn't on a big wall) belongs to someone either putting up routes or repairing bolts.

Interesting stat, how'd you come up with that?

Also, by keeping areas clean, and not full of climbers waste, we keep landowners happy and crags open... this is definitely a good thing for the crag.... even better than a new route

I came up with that by climbing a lot in lots of areas. I came up with that by putting up new routes. I came up with that by replacing old bolts.

Tell me, what have YOU done to refute my statistic?

Since you brought up the land manager boogeyman, can you tell me who that is for the finn wall?

nicelegs wrote:I came up with that by climbing a lot in lots of areas. I came up with that by putting up new routes. I came up with that by replacing old bolts. Tell me, what have YOU done to refute my statistic?

You don't have a statistic to refute... you just have your own personal boas you've applied to every fixed rope.

Give me one example that shows I'm wrong and I'll give you 50 to the contrary.

This was a fixed rope. Not a stuck rope. Not a stashed rope. Not a forgotten rope. If not for repair or development, what was it doing there?

nicelegs wrote:Give me one example that shows I'm wrong and I'll give you 50 to the contrary. This was a fixed rope. Not a stuck rope. Not a stashed rope. Not a forgotten rope. If not for repair or development, what was it doing there?

For every 50 examples you give me, i'll give you 5000 to the contrary. Clearly, I win.

Hmmm.. i spose top rope soloing, amongst other possibilities. 2nd, even if it was there for route development repair, why was it left for so long?

There are fixed lines all over where people leave them up for solo top ropes e.g. cookie cliff, Yosemite.

A buddy of mine has been staying in the broken tooth/fin wall area on and off for a while and putting up fixed lines here and there I guess for days when he has no one to climb with. I'll talk to him next time I see him and see if it happens to be his.

Way to clean that shit up. Single pitch creek routes do not require a fixed line to put up a new route or to replace to the 2 or 3 bolts at the top

For every 50 examples you give me, i'll give you 5000 to the contrary. Clearly, I win.

No you won't. See I am being specific. I can give you route names. The color of the rope, and the days it was left hanging. That's called an example. Pulling wild ass guesses out of your fart box is just playing make believe. Do you see the difference?

I suppose it is possible that someone was running mini-trax laps up there this winter and planned to come back in a few days. On his days off he was arrested for eating an endangered siberian zebra bear and is currently in prison in Ukraine waiting for his trial. Actually, make believe is fun.

nicelegs wrote: I suppose it is possible that someone was running mini-trax laps up there this winter and planned to come back in a few days. On his days off he was arrested for eating an endangered siberian zebra bear and is currently in prison Ukraine waiting for his trial.

See, you're opening you mind beyond your ingrown bias, good work!

That's a bit of a fantastical scenario, but you'll get better

Shep wrote:A buddy of mine has been staying in the broken tooth/fin wall area on and off for a while and putting up fixed lines here and there I guess for days when he has no one to climb with.

@nicelegs, LOLZ

50 examples! Go!

This is another case of people who don't criticizing people who do. Just another case of mountain project.

I should have known better than to get sucked in. I shouldn't have expected that the people of the internet were rational people capable of critical thinking.

I'll go back to reading comments at Fox News.

nicelegs wrote:This is another case of people who don't criticizing people who do. Just another case of mountain project. I should have known better than to get sucked in. I shouldn't have expected that the people of the internet were rational people capable of critical thinking. I'll go back to reading comments at Fox News.

(leg) tail (leg)

How about just 5 examples of routes in the creek that have had "justifiable" fixed lines on them for extended amounts of time?

This...

Shep wrote:A buddy of mine has been staying in the broken tooth/fin wall area on and off for a while and putting up fixed lines here and there I guess for days when he has no one to climb with. I'll talk to him next time I see him and see if it happens to be his.

Last time I was at the fin, he had a green rope on the unnamed 5.11 left of double trouble. I know he has at least one other rope though, and it may have moved since I was there. I just sent him a text about this thread, and I know he posts on here occasionally.

SDY wrote: (leg) tail (leg)

Hardly. You haven't provided me an example yet. You've pointed to a possible scenario that someone you don't know posited.

FWIW and this is relevant, desert rat 420 (anyone who calls themselves a desert rat, isn't) is correct. New routes and bolt replacement is usually pretty easy to do in a day. I've never found reason to leave a rope overnight other than a nasty knot (stuck does not equal fixed).

I remember finn wall specifically having lots of amazing looking second pitches. A legitimate use of a fixed line would be to access those and to clean some sort of r/x approach pitch. I'm playing make believe again though.

I have left fixed TR lines overnight twice. Never at the creek. Epitaph, red, pink, and yellow lines, 2008. Fixed the lines at dusk, was climbing at first light.

The other time was on some shitty route in CCC, Highlander cliff, Yellow rope, 2008. My mini trax didn't engage and I was a little too effed up to get the rope down. I called my friends and they got it the next day.

All the other times were for bolting and trundling purposes. I'm not going to go over my list of deeds. Sorry.