What's the deal with the chair in RC?

"Get your fat ass up there! I'll bet if there was some pussy up there you would get up there, wouldn't you?"

- Gunnery Sergeant Hartman

I guess this is changing the subject, but this is way worse than the chair:
m.sltrib.com/sltrib/mobile3…

^^^
Oh yeah, that boulder could've toppled over by itself at any moment. Assclowns

Dallin Smith wrote: On the "climbing code of ethics" my thoughts were to try to expand the mindset of the general public. Yes, I do look at my piece as a more of a message and like that as a renowned street artist

Dallin Smith wrote: 1.7 million people thought it was a really good idea. And climbing has completely changed because of it.

Nuff said.

"Yes, I do look at my piece as a more of a message and like that as a renowned street artist"

What a load of crap^^^

I like this "piece" and the "message" it conveys

Nuff Said.

The "1.7 million people thought it was a really good idea" is a brilliant argument. If I asked 1.7 million people in Samolia how the health care system in New York is what good is that? Of the 1.7 million people how many are local or even from Utah? My guess is .1% which gets us to 170 people. Of these how many leave the city and use the canyons, maybe 10% or 17? How many of those leave trash 10% or aren't bright enough to know that one chair equals 50 tomorrow, another 10%. That gets us to less than 15 people who think "its cool".

Dallin Smith wrote:http://imgur.com/gallery/WFkww55 Here's the original post. (this one alone got 1.7 million views) I guess all I'm trying to say is, the first person who bolted a route probably took a lot of heat.

The fact that you wrote this without knowing whether it was true or not, demonstrates that you actually NEVER considered the ethics of your actions. Because, as I learned this week, you CANNOT consider the ethics of climbing without learning about bolting and the role it has played in those ethical considerations. You only considered the potential popularity of what you were doing. Your ethical consieration stopped at "this would be SOOOOOO COOOOOOL." Kind of like a teenager.

Dallin Smith wrote:http://imgur.com/gallery/WFkww55 Here's the original post. (this one alone got 1.7 million views) I guess all I'm trying to say is, the first person who bolted a route probably took a lot of heat. I'm sure he pissed off all sorts of people. But it may have been possible that 1.7 million people thought it was a really good idea. And climbing has completely changed because of it. What you may look at as "some ignorant asshole throwing trash up on the mtn to impress his girlfriend" the hoards may think it's pretty awesome. Just keep an open mind.

Putting aside the argument that ethics/policy should not be dictated by those unaffected by said ethics/policy, do you really think 1.7 views equate to 1.7 million endorsements of your chair? Do you think 1.7 views means 1.7 people have viewed it?

imagine how many views it would have had if the chick was naked/half naked!

CTR bro

I don't live or climb in Utah and I have no say over local matters. But having just read Dallin Smith's ignorant, self-aggrandizing post about his own act of senseless vandalism, I am shocked. Shocked mostly that he hasn't already been smothered in ridicule. It's been 22 hours! C'mon people, this guy deserves a serious flaming.

SethG wrote:I don't live or climb in Utah and I have no say over local matters. But having just read Dallin Smith's ignorant, self-aggrandizing post about his own act of senseless vandalism, I am shocked. Shocked mostly that he hasn't already been smothered in ridicule. It's been 22 hours! C'mon people, this guy deserves a serious flaming.

He's a serious artist, like Banksy. Don't criticize him, 1.7 million people clicked like, how many likes did Van Gogh get in 1880? None, that's how many.

Maybe you aren't smart enough to understand the message.

Dallin's idiotic frat boy rope swing video lead to that poor kid cratering trying to set up the Corona Arch swing.

If the blood on his hands for that sleazy self promotion stunt hasn't fazed him, I doubt ridiculing him over this will have any effect either. He just can't wait to see what he will do next.

Andrew Gram wrote:Dallin's idiotic frat boy rope swing video lead to that poor kid cratering trying to set up the Corona Arch swing. If the blood on his hands for that sleazy self promotion stunt hasn't fazed him, I doubt ridiculing him over this will have any effect either. He just can't wait to see what he will do next.

I was in on that video too. Set the whole thing up actually. It's a pretty big stretch to say that I have "blood on my hands" from the video. People have been killed climbing, BASE jumping, skiing...doing pretty much anything that can be done outside and I don't hear you apportioning blame to the purveyors of climbing or skiing movies. Ultimately, everyone has to take their own safety into their own hands.

But this issue has been rehashed ad infinitum. I'm not looking to have the argument again, just asking you to tone down the harsh (and pretty inaccurate) rhetoric.

But Austin, Andrew is right, blood IS on your hands.

Nice try rationalizing though.

nicelegs wrote:But Austin, Andrew is right, blood IS on your hands. Nice try rationalizing though.

Well. I guess I'm totally wrong then. Thanks for clarifying.

I love the chair and have it as my desktop for the last few weeks....brings up some nice discussion.

nicelegs wrote:But Austin, Andrew is right, blood IS on your hands. Nice try rationalizing though.

Wow. If this is true, Alex Honnold must not be able to sleep at night.

Since when did climbing ethics indicate that doing something successfully that killed someone else mean you have blood on your hands?

KC Utah wrote: Wow. If this is true, Alex Honnold must not be able to sleep at night. Since when did climbing ethics indicate that doing something successfully that killed someone else mean you have blood on your hands?

You should look up what "strawman" means. Honnold is far from the first to solo, far from the first to publicize it, and what he does takes a tremendous amount of talent and training. People don't watch 60 minutes and think "I could do that", they think what you thought "Fuck that".

Rope swings take knowing where to swing, rigging it up, and jumping. There isn't much to it and is accessible to pretty much anyone.

I tend to agree with personal responsibility to a certain degree. Then again, young guys think they are invincible. I'd be dead if youtube existed when I was 19.

If Austin hadn't made his stupid video, would this kid have gotten the idea to go there and die? It's extremely unlikely.

nicelegs wrote:There isn't much to it and is accessible to pretty much anyone.

And free soloing isn't accessible to anyone? Great logic above, from many respondents.