Whats the deal with aliens?

Jordan Ramey wrote: Well said. My pics were originally to show that all gear can fail. For what it's worth, I climb with them, have whipped on them, swear by them, etc, etc.... Aliens are now UIAA certified as well. aliencamsbycch.com/testing.…

Wennt to their website. Their failure testing is a joke!!! How many did they test (or atleast reported on). That should be like 1 wks of testing.

Please lock this thread. Dave passed away this Wednesday:
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i just don't really like em so i never fussed about them...

however, i think people just get branded and then there is no turning back... if black diamond or metolius had a few QC issues i think subconsciously id do my best to look the other way cause i have been using their gear for years and its hard to try something new...

Will Anglin wrote:I wanna know the story behind the busted #2. That thing is a mess! Was it fallen on or dropped?

That cam belonged to a friend of mine. It got wrecked in a rockfall. There is no way that it belongs alongside the others in that series.

Since there just aren't enough opinions up about this already, I'm throwing mine into the mix: The old Aliens were recalled specifically because the company that manufactured them at that time put their own brand stamp on the cable, which caused a weak point. Newer Aliens have been manufactured elsewhere, since the first makers were smartly dropped after this flaw was discovered. (So I'm told.) So IMHO: Old Aliens=safety hazard, newer ones=subject to the same rules of caution as other reputable gear.

Stich wrote:Any placement of pro can fail at any time, but usually due to user error. One need not add manufacturer error to the mix. In most cases no one piece of gear is critical, but that's not always true. Let's put it this way. If CCH made parachutes, would you still jump with them?

This is why I only use swiss seat, munter hitch belay, knotted webbing for pro, and climb barefoot. Less people in the seed to pro cycle=better safety. I guess free-solo masters have one up on me.

Just curious, has anyone fallen on a wildcountry zero?

Forestvonsinkafinger wrote: Just curious, has anyone fallen on a wildcountry zero?

Fell on the Z6(Red) and the Z4(Yellow) a few times. Relatively minor falls, 10ish feet, both held. The Z4 has kinda a kink in the head, but the action is still smooth. The Z6 is still in perfect condition after several whips.

18' pendulum onto poorly equalized gray and yellow.
They held.