Stuck red camalot on Passages at T-wall

If you cleaned it I would like to get it back--Thanks

This is obviously brought up in many a discussion here but I'll throw my opinion in for once-

IMHO this definitely falls into the area of finders keepers. If someone finds an obviously dropped or left behing cam, stopper, draw, etc. then I'd feel compelled to look here and give it back if someone was looking for said gear. However, if you can't physically get your cam out and someone else works to get it out, shoot.. too bad so sad, that's theirs.

Professor, what's another word for Pirate Treasure?

B-B-Booty - That's what it is!

Prior to online forums did you expect to get your stuck gear back? Or is this a recent event caused by a technological innovation that allows us to place gear poorly and expect to get it back?

Before MP - If you got your gear stuck, you A) left it for the masses, or B) Hiked back up the very next morning to see if it was still there...

Sorry to hear about your stuck cam. I once had a friend get a #3 stuck on pursuit of excellence and a #4 stuck on (can't remember the 5.7s name) at T Wall in the same day - he didn't post up, just sucked it up and picked up new gear the next week.

Jeff Chrisler wrote:IMHO this definitely falls into the area of finders keepers.

I guess everyone's entitled to their own ethical standards, but if I'd souvenired the OP's red Camalot and then saw his post here, I would not be at all comfortable with the "finders keepers" philosophy. I'd definitely return the cam.

JL

saxfiend wrote: I guess everyone's entitled to their own ethical standards, but if I'd souvenired the OP's red Camalot and then saw his post here, I would not be at all comfortable with the "finders keepers" philosophy. I'd definitely return the cam. JL

I'd be more comfortable keeping it knowing the person who got their gear stuck decided to whine about in on the internet.

i want, i want, i want!

waaahhhhhhh!

suck it up and get some skills.

Peter Pitocchi wrote:If you cleaned it I would like to get it back--Thanks

I think you're more likely to get it back if you offer a token of gratitude, considering it sounds like you or your partner got the cam stuck & then decided to leave it.

I think Guideline #1 should be amended in cases such as:

The OP created an account to post up

The OP is a cry baby

The OP never learned the rule of booty gear

The OP didn't really ask nicely

The OP didn't offer a collection of beverages in return...

SO -

If I cleaned his camalot and he offered a six pack for it's safe return, I would give it back, I already have 3 anyway.

just some thoughts on guideline #1

Impressive responses. Three different people unsuccessfully attempted to clean without destroying rock or cam. I don't have a problem keeping booty,and would not fault anybody for doing the same.
Not sure if its still up there but its a great excuse to go to T-wall--perfect weather last weekend.

Paul Barnes wrote:I met the OP. Cut him a lil slack, he's a pretty nice guy. Edited to say that I'm the reason the guy is on this site. I told him to message me here to see if I was successful in retrieving it.

No offense to anyone - Maybe if the OP provided such details, he would have gotten a bit more slack - but he was vague and kinda short - email carries no tone - so how were we supposed to know he was a "NICE GUY" - he is just one of many people posting about how there gear got stuck, but still want it back...

T wall gets light all day - the wall "breathes" I find that cleaning gear later in the day may help remove it...or really early when the metal lobes of the cam are cool - I worked on a friend's stuck piece on TR to the point of exhaustion and found out that some one easily removed it while we were still climbing that day...

Can you say "fixed gear"?

Did someone post a...

BirminghamBen wrote:I lead past that thing, inspected it, jiggled it, clipped it, and moved on. That's the stuckest cam I've seen in a long time. A dad-gum shame too, since it's so shiny.

Are you telling me that you and Paul and whoever else was with you at T-Wall, that NOT ONE of you remembered to bring a tube of KY Jelly??

I guess there's a first time for everything . . .

JL

saxfiend wrote: Are you telling me that you and Paul and whoever else was with you at T-Wall, that NOT ONE of you remembered to bring a tube of KY Jelly?? I guess there's a first time for everything . . . JL

Dang, John.

I really am sorry I didn't call. I hope you got my email. By the time we left Merv's, I was in no shape to operate a cell phone. ...Shuford's, on me...for real.

BirminghamBen wrote: Dang, John. I really am sorry I didn't call. I hope you got my email.

No worries, Ben! I did get your email, sorry I hadn't replied sooner. T-Wall will still be there next time. And I'll bring the KY! hahaha!

JL

ARRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!

Paul Barnes,

A #2 Camalot stuck?? really?? What kind of placement was it? On a one pitch route? Does it have a walk off on top? Can he hike back with some tools and/or lube, hike to the top and rap down?

Since the OP gave no details could you fill them in? I might never make it to this climbing area but this really has me curious.

I have found gear, posted up and returned it. Made me feel good. But I do not expect to get gear back myself. I had a friend of mine who I was introducing to climbing in the spring leave some gear behind, not quite as expensive as a #2 camalot but oh well, I just let it go.

Rick Blair wrote:Paul Barnes, A #2 Camalot stuck?? really?? What kind of placement was it? On a one pitch route? Does it have a walk off on top? Can he hike back with some tools and/or lube, hike to the top and rap down? Since the OP gave no details could you fill them in?

Going by the OP's subject line, it was a #1 Camalot, not #2. The climb follows a dihedral most of the way, so presumably the placement was in the corner crack. There's no walk-off at T-Wall -- anyone who wants to get at this stuck cam will have to lead the climb.

Seriously, if Paul and Ben couldn't free it, I doubt any of you guys taking cheap shots at the OP from west of the Mississippi could have done any better.

JL

saxfiend wrote: Seriously, if Paul and Ben couldn't free it, I doubt any of you guys taking cheap shots at the OP from west of the Mississippi could have done any better. JL

Ha Ha..... Fair enough... I was just trying to create a mental picture since we were give so little information. You have to admit, the OPs original comment was a little....... demanding.

Life will go smoother if you always offer beer............

saxfiend wrote: I doubt any of you guys taking cheap shots at the OP from west of the Mississippi could have done any better. JL

That's why we take cheap shots from way out here JL...

Having grown up in the south and learned to lead trad there, T-Wall is very familiar to me - I never took a cheap shot any of the kind people who tried to clean the cam, just at the short, vague and somewhat ungracious tone of the OP - It seemed much like several other pleas from people getting gear stuck, leaving it and then asking for it back...

Glad this thread turned itself around - no harsh feelings, hope the cam comes out.

Tits McGee wrote: No offense to anyone - Maybe if the OP provided such details, he would have gotten a bit more slack - but he was vague and kinda short - email carries no tone - so how were we supposed to know he was a "NICE GUY" - he is just one of many people posting about how there gear got stuck, but still want it back... T wall gets light all day - the wall "breathes" I find that cleaning gear later in the day may help remove it...or really early when the metal lobes of the cam are cool - I worked on a friend's stuck piece on TR to the point of exhaustion and found out that some one easily removed it while we were still climbing that day...

Maybe if everyone gave benefit of the doubt and assumed the OP was a normal, nice guy who climbs just like the rest of us; the tone of these discussions within our community would be, well, more communal.

Why should posters be required to go into full detail? Do the details of the story make his request more or less valid?

It's not as though the OP claimed someone would've been wrong to booty the piece. He just asked for it back. What's the harm in that?