Madness in rock canyon.

Ryan Brough wrote: With your attitude, I'm surprised that the hangers aren't missing off routes that you've climbed. There are thousands of routes out there with draws that "live" on the routes. Do you take non-fixed patio furniture from peoples' homes? I'm also surprised that you *assume* that people don't care about their gear. It is pretty obvious that Justin Raymond cared about his gear enough to ask for its return by starting this thread. There are plenty of posts in the Lost and Found section of this website that request the return of wanted gear that was left behind at the crag. What if you left your gear hanging on a route because your buddy got injured in a fall? Oh, I guess it would be naive of you to expect people to return your gear, given the circumstance.

Ha horrible analogy, patio furniture is on someonse property, let me do the metaphoring around here..

ok so

your paying for some groceries, you cant pay for it all, so you say your going to run home real quick to get more money, so you set your money on the counter.

your riding your bike up a hill, u cant get to the top, so you set your bike down, and walk back to the car.

your taken a shot of tequila, your a panzy and cant finish it. so you run off to the bathroom to puke.

your climbing a route, you weld a piece, partner cant get it. you rap down .. no you cant get it either. we can try tomorrow...

But nothings there!

lucaskrajnik wrote: Ha horrible analogy, patio furniture is on someonse property, let me do the metaphoring around here.

I wasn't trying to make a good analogy, I was trying to point out that if you justify taking someone else's stuff off of public property, the next step is to start taking it off of private property. My parents and school teachers taught me that taking other people's stuff is wrong, no matter the location.

All I am really interested in is advocating the return of people's gear, if they ask for it. If they don't ask, I suppose that is is fair to assume that they really didn't want it and you can keep the booty. I've returned plenty of booty and would hope that people would do the same for me.

Just tossing some gas on the fire, I guess, but

IF, say, you are climbing a route and can't make it past the crux, and you bail, unless you have some skilz, you're going to end up leaving at least one draw

Now, is that draw booty or what?

Rick Miske wrote:Just tossing some gas on the fire, I guess, but IF, say, you are climbing a route and can't make it past the crux, and you bail, unless you have some skilz, you're going to end up leaving at least one draw Now, is that draw booty or what?

Yes a single isolated draw is booty in my book. But a smart person would have a few ditch biners with them to leave. And a smarter climber would know how to bail without leaving anything on a bolt.

Now on the other side on several occasions I have found booty cams and given that they were on easier climbs I figure they were new climbers and have tried to return them. In doing so I have met another climber who is now one of my regular partners.

Now if we want to talk about scum bags. Take the accident on Glass Ocean this spring. I happened to go up there a couple of days afterwards and found some of the gear. I knew about the accident and the request for gear. When I did find the gear at first I thought it was booty because there was only two pieces. But I called and it was some of it. So some
scum bag took the rest. A whole sling of trad gear being left behind is a sign of an accident.

Anymore I try not to leave a pack at the base of a climb unless I can clearly see who comes and goes. Just too many dick heads out there - climbers and nonclimbers alike.

bsmoot wrote:This thread is really sad...I can't believe there are so many people here trying to justify stealing someone else's draws...simply mind boggling!

I agree. So sad. Seriously. Brains. Common sense. Morality. You have it or you dont. Climb more type less. Good luck debaters. :)

John Shaw wrote:I have no life so I have nothing better to do than troll climbing forums on the internet to alleviate my boredom.

Yeah, God forbid you actually got out and climbed something!

For shame that this thread has so many views but the adopt-a-crag thread has so few.

Hope to see ALL you locals there!

I love how everyone says.. yea go climbing, stop sitting on the computer.. nice very nice.

With so many readers of this thread, I'll throw this in for educational purposes:

How to safely retreat from a sport route

John Ross wrote:With so many readers of this thread, I'll throw this in for educational purposes: How to safely retreat from a sport route

I haven't seen anyone use the second technique in that article in years. It always seemed like a lot of work to save a buck's worth of webbing.

This is the kind of thing that can happen when people are out of touch with the local conventions. I had a similar experience when I went to a new area. As I'm roping up, I see that the entire route has been equipped with fixed chalk. I didn't think anything of it because I don't even use chalk. Then this guy comes up the trail and he sees that my hands are white from trying the moves and I have no chalk bag. He starts to get real mad and says it's his chalk and I'm trying to steal it. He finally cools down when he sees my swami belt and realizes that I don't know the customs of climbing there in the projects. I do my best to brush my hands off into his chalk bag and he leaves after giving me a stern warning. After I finally get up the route, I scrape the residue off my hands and into a snack-size baggie, which I leave at the base for when its owner returns. With a little thoughtfulness and consideration, everybody wins.

Sport climbing is for pussies anyhow you should give that up for some real traditional climbing. that way I can rack up some new cams when you leave those on your next route.

Stolen gear = bad mojo. stolen gear is bound to cause you some issues. bail gear (ie single draw/biner, sling, stuck pro.) bueno

Justin Raymond wrote:Someone stole my draws!!! I bolted a route just above the adjective. I hung my draws on it, left a fixed rope going through the draws so i could come back another time to clean it. Well, when i came back all my draws were gone!!! There was about 8 up there. I know not anyone can go up that and take off my draws. Someone with climbing knowledge and gear would have done it. I can hardly afford bolts and hangers to bolt a route but its something I wish to climb. Now someone has put a damper on me even going out and climb, which I love to do. Would that person who stole my draws want someone to destroy part of their climbing life?

Just in (hey, that's my name) case anyone forgot the original post.

Give me back my draws!!!!!!

thanks
ME

I just busted the 100th post cherry!

PRRose wrote: I haven't seen anyone use the second technique in that article in years. It always seemed like a lot of work to save a buck's worth of webbing.

Thats genius! I've always strained my mind thinking of a way to save that sling and then that buck...call me cheap--I'm in college. anyways, I guess you're supposed to retire it....

Lets go for 200 post. Anyone game?

it will still be 200 post though. ha

Justin Raymond wrote:Lets go for 200 post. Anyone game?

200 seems doable. I haven't thrown out my worthless opinion here yet, so I'll jump up and do my part.

DO NOT take draws off of routes that are being projected (and you know what those look like).

I may add more later...

Brennan Elton... give me my draws back!! Don't freaking come to rock canyon taking others draws. Stay up in salt lake and take draws from your fellow climbers up there!