How to attract a trad mentor

Sarcasm dude!
I cant decide whether you need some ice cream or an emotional enema? But it looks like your co-dependent with your computer and thats sad.
Maybe you could do something more useful to your ego and your time like put another climbing related sticker on your car or go buy some new prana tights and sport them on over to the coffee shop.
You do wear tights...right?

Love to continue but my lunch breaks over and some of us do work.

Thank you, all. Now we have lots of material to work with.

Every one of you who has made the concerted effort to focus on lecturing Tony and myself is now guilty of the very thing of which you accused us.

You have proven that you are more interested in having a target, than you are in sticking to the topic. Silence and forbearance were always your options but you instead chose to strike. Tony and I did not Svengali you into that action. You did it all on your own.

So stop being hypocrites, and PLEASE say something that contributes to the topic. And, for Christ's sake, stop your damn whining.

Cheers

BTW, cisco, stay in your own pay grade; sarcasm requires intellect and wit - both of which you clearly lack.

Let me see if I got this right.

Bla, bla bla bla bla bla bla.

Yep, I think I got it.

Thanks

PS, My daddy can beat up your daddy

So did she get a mentor?

Charles Dalgleish wrote: Girls are great when it comes to learning to use their body to their advantage once they understand that climbing isn't all arm strength. But I wont climb with them if they aren't willing to try something that I KNOW to be in their ability level.

Is it that common for women to be convinced they can't climb something???

It certainly was for me, but I thought I was just kind of being a pansy...

Alexandra, you're certainly not a pansy for feeling that way! There are a lot of climbs that are probably within my leading limit that I haven't had the courage to lead yet. Some of my strongest leads have come when my fiance (a much stronger leader) has had to back down and I've had to step it up and take over - on climbs that I never conceived being able to lead. From my observations, for some people, men's and women's reaction to getting on a lead that they should be able to lead is different - I tend to be a lot more hesitant than my guy friends on getting on something, but the more I climb the more I trust in my own abilities...

On a side note: there was an interesting study posted in the paper a couple months ago on why there aren't more women in the computer sciences. They found that classes were geared more towards a man's learning style of just jumping in and trying things. Where as women tended to want more direction before tearing into a new computer program. I think I fit this category for climbing - my fiance taught himself to climb by trial and error, but I wanted more direction and read a lot and followed for several years before leading..........

Ken Cangi wrote:Thank you, all. Now we have lots of material to work with. Every one of you who has made the concerted effort to focus on lecturing Tony and myself is now guilty of the very thing of which you accused us. You have proven that you are more interested in having a target, than you are in sticking to the topic. Silence and forbearance were always your options but you instead chose to strike. Tony and I did not Svengali you into that action. You did it all on your own. So stop being hypocrites, and PLEASE say something that contributes to the topic. And, for Christ's sake, stop your damn whining. Cheers BTW, cisco, stay in your own pay grade; sarcasm requires intellect and wit - both of which you clearly lack.

you must have this speech saved somewhere for easy copy and paste action.

Ken, STFU for once. You detract from this website.

Kencangisuxmonkeyballs,
I couldn't disagree more. Ken keeps people on their toes (sometimes good, sometimes bad) but it is lively, engaging, and another viewpoint.

On a serious note. Ken and Tony should tie into the same rope and let the rest of us watch as a charity event. I would pay money to watch you two climb together. Man would that be a show! You guys should consider it. Seriously.

If only I could find the mentoring tips of drkodos. Man, was that a funny rant. It's been long since deleted from whence it was once posted.

"It is not your place to question the leader. You are the follower. YOU WILL DO AS YOU ARE TOLD! You have no position from which to question the leader. By definition you are clueless. so STFU!"

..or something to that effect.

John J. Glime wrote:Ken and Tony should tie into the same rope and let the rest of us watch as a charity event. I would pay money to watch you two climb together. Man would that be a show! You guys should consider it. Seriously.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that I would bet that they would get along just fine and have a good time, and that's even with their "history." If they had no "history" I would put money on them being able to go out and have a good day of climbing together.

Why?

1. Rather than use their rhetorical skills against each other, they would find a topic that they would have fun tearing apart together.

2. Almost everyone is nicer in the real world than on the internet.

3. I don't know Ken, although I'm sure he's a good guy. I do know Tony, and he's definitely a good guy.

I heard a joke about engineers, but it applies to climbers too, especially the kind that uses the internet: Mud-wrestling with a pig is a bit like arguing with an engineer, eventually you realize that the pig is enjoying it.

Now...where did I put that asbestos underwear...?

Peter Spindloe wrote: I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that I would bet that they would get along just fine and have a good time, and that's even with their "history."

Peter,
You are a good pal and know me well, and so you already know what I think of some sorts of people. I'd rather eat my own vomit than tie in with this one. I turned down the offer to be in his film because I don't trust him, and I'm sure not roping up with someone if I don't think it is safe, and it would not feel safe to me.

As far as enjoying it... No, I didn't. Several people didn't. Ken did I suppose, or at least he professes to have antagonized me for fun. I feel like an idiot now, having wasted time analyzing it all within the context of rational adult behavior. I should have known immediately that it was not the sort of behaviour I was seeing. It's like a trainer said one time when I was trying to work with a tripped-out acid-head "hey, quit trying to analyze that with respect to rational behavior. He's on acid and that line of thinking is going nowhere."

I would however, as Glime suggested, be happy to participate in a
"MP.com Survivor" (vote-one-off-the-island) game, with the looser issuing a public apology and admission of guilt, and agreeing not to post on the forum again until paying $1000 to the Access Fund. If people like the idea, I'll try to draft up rules and go head to head with Ken for round 1, if he agrees.

Tony Bubb wrote: I would however, as Glime suggested, be happy to participate in a "MP.com Survivor" (vote-one-off-the-island) game, with the looser issuing a public apology and admission of guilt, and agreeing not to post on the forum again until paying $1000 to the Access Fund. If people like the idea, I'll try to draft up rules and go head to head with Ken for round 1, if he agrees.

Mountain Project Reality TV! Right on!!

Tony actually leaves Boulder?

Well, as I said I was going out on a limb there, and it turns out I was wrong.

Andy, is Fox next on list of partners after Climbing and Alpinist?

hey heather and sarah and anyone else looking to attract a mentor: post some pix on your profile.

since nothing good is on tv tonight, this tony-ken thing rules. but forget that climbing together crap, they need to fight.

maybe they can fight for charity? really. people would pay -- shit, ain't nuthin' 'mericans love more than violence. (well, maybe one thing.) but, damn, then they'll argue ad nauseum (will someone please correct my spelling with that word? I never can get that one right -- thanks) here afterward about some rule technicality.

then again, maybe they should just meet up at a truckstop men's room and get it all out rather than, ahem, spraying all over the forum.

p.s. just kidding, ladies. but seriously, how 'bout some photos?

shackboy wrote: but forget that climbing together crap, they need to fight. maybe they can fight for charity? really. people would pay -- shit, ain't nuthin' 'mericans love more than violence. (well, maybe one thing.)

I have a broken wrist (Triquetral fracture and an avulsion on a ligament) and a dislocated ankle I got that in an international Ultimate tournament in Mexico the week before last. So the doctor isn't letting me get rough again for a few months.

One thing Americans like better than violence? Let me guess???
Maybe we can just see who has a bigger wiener?

Tony Bubb wrote: Maybe we can just see who has a bigger wiener?

I'm in and I'll crush you both!

Andy Laakmann wrote: Mountain Project Reality TV! Right on!!

This show is getting a lot of lurkers - ahem - I mean, viewers! The MP.com sponsers must be loving it.