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	Buff Johnson · Dec 18, 2007 · Unknown Hometown · Joined Dec 2005 · Points: 1,145 Guinness with legs, BRILLIANT! 0 Flag Quote
	Richard Radcliffe · Dec 18, 2007 · Erie, CO · Joined Apr 2006 · Points: 225 Mike McHugh wrote:Now, to add something relevant and thought-provoking: Er, um... I like Guinness? dammit. I'm lame. Don't be so hard on yourself. It's a valiant start. Now try saying this: "I like 16 year old Lagavulin straight up." 0 Flag Quote
	John J. Glime · Dec 18, 2007 · Cottonwood Heights, UT · Joined Aug 2002 · Points: 1,160 any of you scuba dive? 0 Flag Quote
	Buff Johnson · Dec 18, 2007 · Unknown Hometown · Joined Dec 2005 · Points: 1,145 Guinness you can scuba dive with, BRILLIANT!! 0 Flag Quote
	Ken Cangi · Dec 18, 2007 · Eldorado Springs, CO · Joined Jul 2005 · Points: 620 Since we're all up to our hips in it, I thought I'd provide a little background: The Scoop on Poop What is poop made of? About 3/4 of your average turd is made of water. Of course, this value is highly variable - the water content of diarrhea is much higher, and the amount of water in poop that has been retained (voluntarily or otherwise) is lower. Water is absorbed out of fecal material as it passes through the intestine, so the longer a turd resides inside before emerging, the drier it will be. Of the remaining portion of the turd, about 1/3 is composed of dead bacteria. These microcorpses come from the intestinal garden of microorganisms that assist us in the digestion of our food. Another 1/3 of the turd mass is made of stuff that we find indigestible, like cellulose, for instance. This indigestible material is called "fiber," and is useful in getting the turd to move along through the intestine, perhaps because it provides traction. The remaining portion of the turd is a mixture of fats such as cholesterol, inorganic salts like phosphates, live bacteria, dead cells and mucus from the lining of the intestine, and protein. Why does poop stink? Poop stinks as a result of the products of bacterial action. Bacteria produce smelly, sulfur- or nitrogen-rich organic compounds such as indole, skatole, and mercaptans, and the inorganic gas hydrogen sulfide. These are the same compounds that give farts their odor. Why is poop brown? The color comes mainly from bilirubin, a pigment that arises from the breakdown of red blood cells in the liver and bone marrow. The actual metabolic pathway of bilirubin and its byproducts in the body is very complicated, so we will simply say that a lot of it ends up in the intestine, where it is further modified by bacterial action. But the color itself comes from iron. Iron in hemoglobin in red blood cells gives blood its red color, and iron in the waste product bilirubin gives rise to its brown color. What other colors of poop are possible? Poop is mostly shades of brown or yellow, but other colors can arise under certain circumstances. For example, someone with a bleeding ulcer might have tarry black poop from the presence of partially digested blood. Bleeding in the intestine, from an anal fissure or split, for example, can stain the poop red. Bloody poop can also be a sign of colon cancer, so you should get it checked out by a doctor if you see blood in your stool. Some illnesses in babies gives them green or even blue-green poop. But another source of blue poop in children is more innocent: it can come from eating a concentrated source of blue food coloring such as ice cream. Intense red food coloring can produce bright red poop. Sometimes brightly colored foods pass through the gut almost unchanged, and the turd may be speckled with bright red fragments such as pimentos, or bright yellow kernels of corn. Poop can also be stained red if you eat beets, according to Ellen. One can experience white poop after consuming a barium milkshake for the purposes of getting an x-ray of the upper gastrointestinal tract. What is the cause of yellow poop? According to Michael F., one cause of this is Gilbert's Syndrome. "I have a benign condition known as Gilbert's Syndrome. It affects quite a few people, males mostly, in their teens+. It is a deficiency in the liver where red blood cells are broken down. I was informed when this was diagnosed that the broken down blood cells is what gives poop a lot of its color. People with Gilbert's Syndrome don't process as many blood cells - or not as fast - and their poop tends to be pale brown or yellow from the lower quantity of discarded red blood cell matter. This is especially true if there is less matter in your intestines (i.e., on a diet - as I have noticed) to remove the excess blood cells. Very frightening until you determine what is causing it. Gilbert's is a totally benign thing that doesn't harm anyone, although when a person is sick they can turn yellowish as if jaundiced, but it is not jaundice." Another cause of yellow poop is a giardia infection. Giardia are tiny Protozoan parasites that can invade the intestines and result in severe yellow diarrhea. It is a dangerous and contagious affliction that doctors are obligated to report to the Center for Disease Control. What is the cause of green poop? I have consulted with a doctor, a physiologist and a microbiologist on this question, and the following summarizes their answers: Healthy people can have green poop if they eat a diet rich in leafy green vegetables, or if they consume large quantities of food coloring (in ice cream, cake frosting etc.). Green poop can also be caused by excess iron in the diet, from dietary supplements, for example. If the body does not absorb all the iron consumed, the iron may stain the poop green, the color of iron (II) salts. Ordinarily, the green color may be masked by the normal brown poop color, but if digestion is thrown off by illness so that bilirubin is less concentrated in the intestine, the green color may become apparent. This can happen when a person is afflicted with diarrhea. Green poop in sick babies may come from iron in baby formula not being properly absorbed, or by green pigments in bile salts (again, green from iron). Why is bird poop white? Unlike mammals, birds don't urinate. Their kidneys extract nitrogenous wastes from the bloodstream, but instead of excreting it as urea dissolved in urine as we do, they excrete it in the form of uric acid. Uric acid has a very low solubility in water, so it emerges as a white paste. This material, as well as the output of the intestines, emerges from the bird's cloaca. The cloaca is a multi-purpose hole for birds: their wastes come out of it, they have sex by putting their cloacas together, and females lay eggs out of it. Why do dogs (and other animals) eat poop? Many animals eat poop on a regular basis. These include rabbits, rodents, gorillas, many insects such as dung beetles and flies, and yes, dogs. (Keep that in mind the next time a dog wants to lick you!) Herbivores such as rabbits and rodents eat their own poop because their diet of plants is hard to digest efficiently, and they have to make two passes at it to get everything out of the meal. This is equivalent to a cow chewing its cud, only cows are able to re-eat their food without having to poop it out first. Another reason why animals eat poop is that poop contains vitamins produced by their intestinal bacteria. The animal is unable to absorb the vitamins through the intestinal wall, but can get at them by eating the poop. Another reason that animals such as dogs and flies eat poop is that poop contains a certain amount of protein. Dogs are particularly fond of cat poop because cat poop is high in protein. I had a friend with a dog and a cat, and he never had to clean the kitty litter. The dog took care of it. Are there people who eat poop? Yes, we all have, at one point or another. One of the main ways that diseases and parasites spread is through the consumption of food and water contaminated with feces. This happens because people don't wash their hands carefully after pooping or changing a diaper or scratching their butt. It can also happen through careless disposal of diapers. Our microbiologist here on Guam says that one dirty diaper in Tumon Bay can send the bacteria count through the ceiling. But of course, what you want to know is, are there people who eat poop on purpose? Again, the answer is yes. In rare instances, people with severe developmental and psychological disorders practice pica, the consumption of non-food items, including coprophagy, the ingestion of feces. The behavior may also be observed among very young toddlers. Coprophagy is also listed as an unusual sexual practice in the encyclopedia of that name. Some people who practice sexual coprophagy say that only a lover's poop is good to eat; all other poop (including their own) makes them gag. I have personally known only one person who ate poop on purpose, and she only did it once, when she was about four years old. She says she was curious about what it tasted like. When asked what poop does taste like, she replies, "About like you'd expect." By the way, for all of you who are wondering, the author of this page does NOT eat poop. Can you get sick from eating poop? Yes, you can definitely get sick from eating poop, even in minute quantities! Although urine emerges sterile from the body (unless the person has an infection), poop emerges loaded with bacteria and sometimes other life forms. Many diseases, including food poisoning, cholera and typhus, are spread by fecal contamination. Many parasites, such as the notorious tapeworm, can be spread through deliberate or accidental ingestion of poop. There are some parasites, such as pinworms, who depend on people eating their own poop to keep the population up. Pinworms are small nematodes that live in the colon. The females emerge from the anus at night to lay their eggs. Their activity makes the anal area itch. The person scratches the itch (often doing so in his sleep), procuring a small amount of fecal matter and eggs under his fingernails, and then puts his fingers in his mouth. Once the eggs are consumed, the person is infected with a new generation of pinworms. I have read that almost everyone has pinworms. Luckily, pinworms don't do much harm. You only notice them if you have a lot of pinworms! If you want to find out if you do indeed have them, get someone to gently touch around your anal area with Scotch tape while you are sleeping. The worms will stick to the tape and you'll be able to see them. What causes diarrhea? Diarrhea is caused by irritation in the intestines, resulting in the bowel passing its contents too fast for the water to be absorbed. There can be several causes, including infection by bacteria or viruses, irritation caused by unfamiliar foods, food allergies, chronic illnesses such as inflammatory bowel disease, lactose intolerance, medications, and nervousness. If it's a persistant problem, don't mess around - see a doctor. Do most people wipe their left-over poop standing up or while sitting on the pot, and are there gender differences? This isn't really scientific, but I did a quick survey, and everyone asked (including both males and females) said that they wipe sitting down. (Marko wrote to ask, "Am I the only person who wipes standing up? Surely not...") There was even a reason provided: that sitting down spreads the cheeks apart and makes access easier. This survey was done on Guam, and Guam is technically part of the United States, and most people here probably use American toilet habits. However, if you travel a bit, you will discover that people deal with left-over poop in different ways in other parts of the world. In Europe, for example, that water fountain in the bathroom isn't for drinking. It's a bidet for hosing off after using the toilet. In Southeast Asia, you don't sit on the toilet at all. The toilet is a low, porcelain-lined trench, and the user squats over it. Next to the toilet is a bin of water. You scoop water out of the bin with your left hand and use that to cleanse yourself. You aren't supposed to use your left hand for any other purpose. How come when you eat corn, no matter how much you chew it, you poop it out in whole kernals? Corn poop is one of the greatest mysteries in life. I grew up pondering the same question. This is what I think is happening: When we chew corn, the outer coating slips off the inner kernal. This outer yellow coating is almost entirely cellulose, and is indigestible. It passes through the gut untouched, and emerges looking like a whole kernal, although it is mostly just the outer skin. The inside of the kernal is starchy and digestible, and that is the part that we succeed in chewing up. Is there any way to prevent corn from getting in your poop? I know of only one way - don't eat corn! How does poop stay together, like in links? In humans, soft poop is really one long, mostly continuous sausage before it comes out. It gets its "link" look because we tend to pinch off lengths of it with the anal sphincter as the poop emerges. If a person pinches hard enough, the poop separates into several turd units. If the person doesn't pinch that hard, the turds may stay connected. If you can remain sufficiently relaxed, you can produce an awesomely long poop that will coil up inside the toilet. Why does some poop float? Floaters are turds that have an unusually high gas content. Sometimes the gases produced by bacteria in our gut don't have a chance to collect into a large fart bubble, but remain dispersed in the feces. The poop then comes out foamy, and has a lower density than water. Poop with a high fat content will also float. What causes the burning sensation sometimes associated with poop? This is generally caused by a recent meal of hot peppers or related spices. The oils associated with these foods remain intact and active all the way through one's gastrointestinal system. These oils can also generate hot farts. Why does some poop hurt when it comes out? Turds can get very large and dry if a person is constipated, causing painful stretching of the anal opening. Pooping can also hurt if the person has hemorrhoids. Hemorrhoids are engorged veins in the anal area. A doctor once described them to me as "varicose veins of the anus," which suggests that the valves in the veins that are supposed to keep the blood flowing in the right direction have gotten messed up. Pooping can also be painful if the person suffers from an anal fissure, a tear in the tissue of the rectum. Why does poop sometimes fizzle like Alka Seltzer when it hits the water? Fizzling can happen if the poop is supercharged with bubbles of fart gas. After discharge from the body, the poop is in a lower pressure environment and it degasses. Does eating meat make your poop smell worse? Yes, meat protein is rich in sulfides, resulting in smellier farts and poop. This is the reason that the poop of carnivores such as dogs, cats and snakes smells worse than the poop of herbivores such as cows and horses. Is it possible to vomit poop? It is not possible unless the person is suffering from some extremely rare condition or disorder. I had a roommate once whose summer job was to administer barium enemas to patients in a hospital. She told me that one patient vomited the enema. Is it possible for a man to have poop come out of his penis, or for a woman to poop out of her vaginal opening? Not normally; fortunately the plumbing of the genitalia is entirely separate from the plumbing of the digestive system! However, there are certain pathological situations that can cause the pipes to get connected together wrong. Cancer can do it, as can surgical diversions of the human tubing. Such fistulas, as they are called, can cause feces to come out of the urinary system, or urine to come out of the anus. I hope that clears things up. 0 Flag Quote
	Buff Johnson · Dec 18, 2007 · Unknown Hometown · Joined Dec 2005 · Points: 1,145 Guinness as renewable energy, BRILLIANT!! 0 Flag Quote
	John J. Glime · Dec 18, 2007 · Cottonwood Heights, UT · Joined Aug 2002 · Points: 1,160 That is one way to get us to pg. 8 sooner... 0 Flag Quote
	kirra · Dec 18, 2007 · Unknown Hometown · Joined Feb 2006 · Points: 530 Andy Laakmann wrote: I believe the difference has something to do with their orbits, but I'm far too lazy to actually Google it and find out ;) Andy, its all about size...wink LOL you guys have posted some funny shit here tonight. Ken, sorry I had to skip over your poo post for now I'm eating dinner. HEY...you changed your post since the wee hour..!! ~ ~awww~ guess it'l be our littl' secret Mark Nelson wrote:Guinness as renewable energy, BRILLIANT!! Check this Mark -- New Belgium has found a way to turn beer poo into fish food so the poor little floaters don't have to cannabalize their own cousins. -- Rocky Mountain News 12-14-07 0 Flag Quote
	Mike Lane · Dec 18, 2007 · AnCapistan · Joined Jan 2006 · Points: 880 One of my first year college roomates was a Texas kid that worked in a Mexican restaurant. He showed up with a years worth of nacho supplies, including 5 gallon-sized cans of jalapenos. One night, after getting either baked or liquored up (probably both), we decided to have a jalapeno-eating contest. After something like 20 each, we called it a draw. The next morning, Herbie had to go first. I'll never forget the blood-curdling scream, the sobbing, and then the warning: "Wait until its your turn" When my turn came, it was like jalapeno paste. I'm sure that tears were actually shooting horizantally out of my eyes. I eventually had to perform some extreme yoga under the spout of the bathtub for Daffy Duck style relief. 0 Flag Quote
	kirra · Dec 18, 2007 · Unknown Hometown · Joined Feb 2006 · Points: 530 LOL -- funny story Mike was it kind of like this 0 Flag Quote
	Umph! · Dec 19, 2007 · Unknown Hometown · Joined Nov 2004 · Points: 180 (Sorry Mike, that was damn funny, but I have to post one last time, just for the record.) "But I do know that the persecution of Christianity and God in America is a religion in and of itself, with followers MUCH more vehement about their ideals than any Christians I have met (hell, just look at this forum)! " The above comment I made seems to be holding absolutely true. "Fact: Christian America does more to help the poor, abused, starving, diseased and down-trodden across the globe, than any other religious or non-religious group." Nor has this comment been disputed (also note that I was ref. to Christian AMERICA). Also. . . "BS from people claiming Christian intolerance and foolishness, when today's Chrsitians are so damn tolerant you have to poke them in both eyes to get a reaction." "Just look at the Christians who have posted on this assualt forum. . . I call that very tolerant to the obviously biggoted posts." These I wrote as well. Note how I mentioned TODAYS Christians. But, of course, none of you bigots cares to see what I wrote, nor address my main points. Typical to the t. My other point: "- and it's painfully hypocritical for intolerant people to complain about their perception of the same." Painful indeed. . . . "God is being stripped from everything, and some are fighting to keep “it” there." - cameron Bubb: "No more often than I see the pro-s fighting to put it in." Bubb: "We can't take it out of what it has not been put into." Make up your mind. . . are they fighting to put it in, or was it already there, thus protecting their freedom to have it?? It's WITHOUT DOUBT, that a SMALL, INTOLERANT MINORITY wants it removed, and that the large majority wants it to stay. Hey, now's your chance to try your beloved communism - you know, community, majority, blah, blah. Yah, didn't think so. . . . Bubb: "Just don't preach to me that christians give more." Maybe I shouldn't have retracted that ego comment. . . . Sorry Bubb, you can spray all you'd like and hate all you'd like, but your mortal enemies give more to charity than you and your peers. . . try a third job. Bubb: "So what is the big difference between mormanism and Christianity really. . ." ". . .why not do it twice in 5000 years?" Hell with it, I could spend hours tearing apart your dodge comments and your lack of addressing my posts. Not worth my time. Cangi: ". . .which, yes, I absolutely refuted." Truly you are in your own little ego-saturated dreamworld. The only thing you've refuted is a claim of personal comprehension. Sophomoric would be a compliment. You kids sure know how to jump around, bark and chase your own tails! I've had my entertainment - and my eyes have been opened to the latest "progressive" mindset once again. . . as I would have guessed, nothing has changed (less a little more bigotry). Maybe our next debate, rather, argument, will be a little deeper, and real. Adios. 0 Flag Quote
	John J. Glime · Dec 19, 2007 · Cottonwood Heights, UT · Joined Aug 2002 · Points: 1,160 cameron wrote:Glime: "They might smile at each other, but inside they are thinking/believing, I am right, you are wrong." C'mon John, you don't know what they're thinking. . . they only know what you're thinking! I agree that many people from all walks of life tend to think that they know better than the next person - to contrast, I believe that there are many people who don't. . . it's certainly not proper for a blanket statement though. . Fine, talking about poop just doesn't have the same allure. I obviously don't know what everyone is thinking, this world is f-ed up. But if you choose to join a religion. A religion that believes that it is the one true/right way. And you choose that religion. By default aren't you saying that the religion is the one true right way? Because, if you don't believe it, you aren't really a believer in that religion are you? Recently I was blown away when the pope claimed that other christian churchs were invalid because THEY DON'T HAVE A POPE! What in the hell kind of logic is that? But when I laughed about this comment to my Catholic parents, they actually made a very good point. From the popes point of view, and thus as a reminder to all Catholics that the religion is worth remaining a part of, it only makes sense to remind people that Catholics are right. If the pope admitted that there are other ways to get to heaven or whatever, then he diminishes the stated beliefs of the Catholic church, and the Catholic church then becomes weakened, loses importance, credibility, validity... loses membership, and dies. (God wouldn't really stand for that would she?) My point being, isn't it the nature of religions and their followers to believe that they are right, and thus, others are wrong? It might not always be COGNITIVE, but otherwise, what is the point in going through all of that religion's motions? Did I make a blanket statement? Sure, after all we all are generalizing here, aren't we? But I don't see the above nature of religions being that big of a deal (because it seems to me to be the nature of humans.) The problem is when it turns into literal hatred and violence towards others. I mean, come on, obviously the Packers are better than the Bears... why be a Packers fan if I didn't believe so? But if I start launching flaming bratwursts at Bears fans in surprise attacks, that crosses a line. Gee whiz, you should never waste a bratwurst. 0 Flag Quote
	kirra · Dec 19, 2007 · Unknown Hometown · Joined Feb 2006 · Points: 530 John J. Glime wrote: Fine, talking about poop just doesn't have the same allure. ......"THEY DON'T HAVE A POPE! Good points John....wow from poop to the Pope. Does the Pope have poop..? You betcha...but is the Pope's poop better than your poop's Pope...er..uh no I mean...Pope's poop --- noooo...ok-ok...now I think I've got it If your Pope's poop is not the best poop in town, then you need to find a different Pope with better poop. 0 Flag Quote
	Mike Lane · Dec 19, 2007 · AnCapistan · Joined Jan 2006 · Points: 880 Doesn't the Pope poop in the woods? And can't we hear him? Power is gained and held by illegtimate religious/political institutions by generating a mortal threat (enemy) who is the cause of all of your problems. It is the cheapest trick around, as old as mankind. I've heard Hugo Chavez state that he ascended power by defeating the U.S. I don't particularly remember that war. Evangelicals used to have the devil, then liberals, and now apparently Mormons. The Tradiban has Sport Climbing. As far as I'm concerned, once that card is played, that institution/club/sect/party becomes invalid, outside of the Truth. 0 Flag Quote
	tenesmus · Dec 19, 2007 · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jan 2004 · Points: 3,115 my friend's wife made him go to this hippy naturalistic MD, and give him a poop sample... the doc gave him these specific herbs now his poop doesn't stink. or so he says. 0 Flag Quote
	Ken Cangi · Dec 19, 2007 · Eldorado Springs, CO · Joined Jul 2005 · Points: 620 cameron wrote:Cangi: ". . .which, yes, I absolutely refuted." Truly you are in your own little ego-saturated dreamworld. The only thing you've refuted is a claim of personal comprehension. Cameron, If calling you on your unsubstantiated claims makes me ego saturated, in your mind, I'm okay with that. I am happy for you that you know some Christians who "are so damn tolerant you have to poke them in both eyes to get a reaction" - whatever that means - but to make the blanket claim that Christians, and Christianity in general, are tolerant is not true, and history has proven it time and time again. cameron wrote:I've had my entertainment - and my eyes have been opened to the latest "progressive" mindset once again. . . as I would have guessed, nothing has changed (less a little more bigotry You are only hearing what you want to hear because you think it supports your conclusion. I see very little religion bashing here. Mostly what I have seen, with a few exceptions, are honest criticisms of documented and observable religious behaviors. Here is one of my original comments: Ken Cangi wrote:It is because of the power of faith that I have learned to respect people's beliefs in religion. What is wrong with believing is something that motivates you to be a better and more compassionate human being? I think that's a pretty tolerant and progressive statement, especially coming from a non-religious person. cameron wrote:Maybe our next debate, rather, argument, will be a little deeper, and real. Maybe next time you'll think twice before trying to have a serious debate in a thread called: "Lurkers Suck" And if you want meaningful debate, then realize that calling people names, when they disagree with you, does little toward accomplishing that goal. 0 Flag Quote
	Tony B · Dec 19, 2007 · Around Boulder, CO · Joined Jan 2001 · Points: 24,690 cameron wrote: Bubb: "No more often than I see the pro-s fighting to put it in." Bubb: "We can't take it out of what it has not been put into." Make up your mind. . . are they fighting to put it in, or was it already there, thus protecting their freedom to have it?? Both statements are true- some Atheists are trying to take it out where christians put it in (the pledge, the money, etc) And keep it out where christians are trying to put it in (creationism in biology class, abstenence only programs in sex ed, etc). We can not fight to take it out more than you fight to put it in. The fact that A follows B does not contradict anything. cameron wrote: "Fact: Christian America does more to help the poor, abused, starving, diseased and down-trodden across the globe, than any other religious or non-religious group." Absolutely incorrect. The largest contributing groups are in fact (drum roll, please): "The Rich (incomes >250,000, assets > 1M) and the "Super Rich" (Incomes >1M, assets > 10M). Just read a study that shows wealth is the #1 correlating factor to charitable giving. Great article recently in the paper. Now, if you want to say christians are richer, you might have a point that they give more. But I doubt it. cameron wrote: But, of course, none of you bigots cares to see what I wrote, nor address my main points. Typical to the t. You not hearing it is different than people not saying it, but if your point is that no bigots posted, you'd be right. cameron wrote: Hey, now's your chance to try your beloved communism - you know, community, majority, blah, blah. Hey Jachov Splatoutski, Me a Commie?!?!?!! HAHAHAHHA hHAA HA AHA! I was an office holder in the Libertarian party! Majority rule? No, absolutely against it! I'm Jeffersonian in my politics. I believe in very very limited rule. And communism? I think communists ought to start communes and live in them- fine with me. cameron wrote: Sorry Bubb, you can spray all you'd like and hate all you'd like, but your mortal enemies give more to charity than you and your peers... try a third job. Cameron. Wow, that is super assinine and makes you not worth further bother. My wife, my family, and many of my friends are christians. But 'my peers' give WAY more to charity than any group you can site, I am sure anyway. cameron wrote: I've had my entertainment - and my eyes have been opened to the latest "progressive" mindset once again. . . as I would have guessed, nothing has changed (less a little more bigotry). Maybe our next debate, rather, argument, will be a little deeper, and real. Adios. Really? You just called 2 free market guys progressives and commies! Wow, what a presumptious comment. It certainly proves that you have not heard or understood a single thing said to you. It also shows that most of your tilting is at imaginary windmills. 0 Flag Quote
	Sir Camsalot · Dec 19, 2007 · thankgodchickenhead, Ut · Joined Sep 2007 · Points: 201 Kirra wrote: Good points John....wow from poop to the Pope. Does the Pope have poop..? Everybody makes poo. I read it in a book once. 0 Flag Quote
	Christopher Jones · Dec 19, 2007 · Denver, Colorado · Joined Jan 2005 · Points: 910 That's a great book. I read to my two year old last night. 0 Flag Quote
	Ken Cangi · Dec 19, 2007 · Eldorado Springs, CO · Joined Jul 2005 · Points: 620 Tony Bubb wrote:Well, on the bright side, Ken and I have agreed one one thing this year now. You are an insolent jerk. I've agreed with you on several issues, although this isn't one of them. I do not think cameron is an insolent jerk. I have never even met him, so I have no personal experience from which to make such an assertion. His posts tell me that he feels a need to be an apologist for Christians, which could stem from any number of factors. That he feels compelled to attack those who challenge his position is a common defense mechanism. It's human nature, and we all do it on occasion - yourself included. I think cameron's biggest mistake is that he is taking this stuff too seriously. It's just a bunch of friends and acquaintances having fun, talking smack on the Internet. Taking any of this too seriously is a mistake, IMO. 0 Flag Quote