Evolv shoe recommendation

yeah I would definitely not count on evolvs stretching much. I have had a bunch of pairs and none of them stretch a whole lot.shamans and geshidos were sized to my street shoe and I would not go smaller. I have one size down bandits strictly because they were 23 bucks and didn't have my size. they are totally wearable but not for long periods

I have some Luchador for sale $60. Bought .5 size to small. I'll sell em for cheep so I can get a new pair. FYI. I wear a size 8 street shoe and bought 7 Luchador. Should have gotten a 7.5 for technical face climbing.

Size 7 Luchador 60 bucks. Includes shipping.

Used about ten days. Almost new. Still smell new.