Gunks MUA camping ticket - help?

How is it the the MP is funneling money to the Smileys? Are you suggesting that the MP buying the lands that OSI purchased from Mountain House is this vehicle?

The Mountain House has a history of seeing the truth of what the future will bring. They purchased land to preserve it more that a hundred years ago, when the conservation movement was just being birthed by the likes of Muir and Burroughs. They saw they'd need to allow alcohol to be served, and made other compromises, to retain business during times before the Mohonk Trust had been established; when to lose that land due to financial failings on the hotel business would have been a catastrophe conservation-wise. They saw that people weren't taking vacation time in the same way, as women joined the workforce and air travel became standard, and made adjustments. And when they nearly got run over by a highway system, they established the Trust to insure this possibility would be vanquished.

Sure - it's easy to say "They did it for the money." I don't believe that is the reason they made these moves and I base that opinion on research I have done; it is not just my gut reaction.

If the Mountain House financial administrators again looked at their books and saw trouble ahead unless they divested in some way, would it not be foolish to address that issue? And if it were about "the money," why not parcel those incredibly valuable acres out and sell to either a developer or piecemeal? I am not positive, but I have the feeling one would have seen a much more substantial return in doing that.

Of course, in doing so, the land would forever be lost to nature...

Look, every single one of us is entitled to our opinions. I NEVER said otherwise, to Kevin nor anyone else. But I read these statements(such as the one you just made) and it is just very easy for me to imagine and understand reasons much more complex for the actions which are being posed.

I am not sure, but I think it has something to do with the several months I lived in the area and did not have a car. If I went somewhere, I walked. A mile to check my email. A mile to hitch to town to get groceries or do laundry(I could only do one of those on a trip). Days on end during rain, wandering around the land with nobody else there. But I came to understand that the protection of that land was and remains an absolutely essential reason to those who took responsibility for it so many years ago.

I don't feel any more desire to argue points with people making these caustic, and never substantiated, statements - yours included. The last time I posted on that other thread I said my van was funked(and it was) but what I didn't mention was that my dog had become seriously ill. I thought he was dying. He very nearly did. I was too exhausted to prattle on any more, nor to listen to the prattle. I still am, and maybe that is a good thing. (Teddy seems to be making an almost miraculous recovery, if anyone is interested).

You know I am staunchly pro-preserve, pro-Mountain House, pro-Smiley. I have provided quite a bit to support my statements, much which has been shown to be accurate. I may be off on some things; and I do admit I have an outsized ego that often oversteps my actual authority. It is who I am, at least today.

And away we go.

Hi ho, Silver!

Yeah, my bad for responding - I am a sucker. Sorry, and if I do succumb again, I promise I will create that stupid "Trolling on the Gunks?" thread I suggested last week.

Happiegrrrl wrote:Look, every single one of us is entitled to our opinions. I NEVER said otherwise, to Kevin nor anyone else.

Your actions do not speak as loudly as your posts. You took this thread highly personally, then made it personal for those who engaged in it. The issue was about the MP, not Terrie M. The manner you engage the subject implies you have zero tolerance for opposing viewpoints. Bloody peasant!

youtube.com/watch?v=rAaWvVF…

Through my mere involvement and manner of involvement in this thread you posted such classics as "I am ashamed to call you a friend at this point." You really expected something GOOD to come from that statement? Was this supposed to make me change my mind about the Mohonk Preserve? How do your feelings toward me have anything to do with the Mohonk Preserve?

You have been given equal opportunity to walk away from these threads but continue to come back. Curious, you seem to be kicking up just as much dirt, and equally whiney when you get dirty.

Kevin Heckeler wrote: Your actions do not speak as loudly as your posts. You took this thread highly personally, then made it personal for those who engaged in it. The issue was about the MP, not Terrie M. The manner you engage the subject implies you have zero tolerance for opposing viewpoints. Bloody peasant! youtube.com/watch?v=rAaWvVF… Through my mere involvement and manner of involvement in this thread you posted such classics as "I am ashamed to call you a friend at this point." You really expected something GOOD to come from that statement? Was this supposed to make me change my mind about the Mohonk Preserve? How do your feelings toward me have anything to do with the Mohonk Preserve? You have been given equal opportunity to walk away from these threads but continue to come back. Curious, you seem to be kicking up just as much dirt, and equally whiney when you get dirty.

Cuts both ways mr. "hippy-girl". You are both so far from taking the high road it's pathetic. The first one who STFU gets my vote for the high road. Since you have been tenacious spewing your dogma over the past month(s) - despite being in the clear minority with your opinion(s) - I sincerely doubt that your path will ever become the high road.

In accordance with Roberts Rules of order, I second:

Kevin, please STFU.

I third and carry the motion. Kevin, STFU.

Eric Engberg wrote:despite being in the clear minority with your opinion(s)

The loudest or most numerous voices on the intraweb win? We're doomed! Lady Gaga has millions of twitter followers. She must be ruler.

I hope telling me to stfu helps people feel better about themselves. It would be a waste to think that posting that actually matters otherwise.

"The loudest or most numerous voices on the intraweb win? We're doomed! Lady Gaga has millions of twitter followers. She must be ruler."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1Y73sPHKxw

Motion carried.

Kevin, you are out of order.

How in the fuck do you put Gif's in a post?

Ben Brotelho wrote:How in the fuck do you put Gif's in a post?

treat it like a photo.

Kevin, go do some overhanging pink taped 5.4s at the gym so you can do a roof come spring time.

Jake D. wrote:Kevin, go do some overhanging pink taped 5.4s at the gym so you can do a roof come spring time.

I think I'm up to skinny pink, which is like 5.5+ right? ;-D