Moses tomahawk vs bd peckers

Here is a new contender from Edelrid "Edelbeak". Anyone used them?

no but I've checked them out at rock and resole, and they seem really nice! slightly different dimensions than the other options out there. the big one is BIG, and differently shaped, more like a Spectre than a tomahawk.

We need #4 beaks like those made by Ryan LaRocque!

Bel Aoroswrote:

Here is a new contender from Edelrid "Edelbeak". Anyone used them?

Those look cool have to buy some and try them out.

I like the bigger hole on top for tying through a thick burly racking/cleaning loops.

The blue sewn sling is ridiculously long, so cut it off and tie a short one there. Or get Skot Richards to sew it for you. 

They have a #1 and #2 size, not sure what this one is?

This big #3 could be useful in big expanding flakes.

Since this is turning into a general thread about beaks... Does anyone know what's up with the #4 tomahawks? If I recall correctly, Ollie Tippet mentioned them briefly in his video series about the FA he did but I can't seem to find any information about them. It kindof looked like it might be a cross between a Z-piton and a beak? Really cool looking design.

My #4 beaks were made by Ryan Larocque

GNNwrote:

How do these compare to the tomahawks and bd

They are not as good as Tomahawks.

1.The angle between the blade and the, umm, dangly bit is closer to right angle. A more drooped pick has more positive hooking action.

2. The design is strangely rounded. The rounded tip can't bite as well as modern beaks. The striking surface is too rounded. This is okay for hammering the beast in, but they are hard to clean because it's hard to land a solid, square hammer blow from above or below.

In Pika's defense, when these came out there were neither Tomahawks nor Peckers. The question would have been "How do these compare to knifeblades" and of course the mere fact of the hook shape meant that they were superior.

Wonderfully well said, Mr. Bartlett

Elaine Gilstromwrote:

Since this is turning into a general thread about beaks... Does anyone know what's up with the #4 tomahawks? If I recall correctly, Ollie Tippet mentioned them briefly in his video series about the FA he did but I can't seem to find any information about them. It kindof looked like it might be a cross between a Z-piton and a beak? Really cool looking design.

The #4 Tomahawk should be out later this summer, as well as a #5 in the near future. Oliver and a few other climbers were given #4 and #5 prototypes for testing and to provide feedback.

Both the #4 and #5 are made of the same thickness 4130 CrMo steel as the #1 Tomahawk (0.125”) and the #4 weighs 142 grams, just a few grams more than the #3 Tomahawk. Combining the hooking action of a beak-type piton with the springiness of a shallow angle piton (i.e. the old SMC shallow angles), the design features a milled taper on the front portion of the blade and a shallow bend along the blade axis. These large Tomahawks work great for thin expando and the blade bend allows them to be used as a pin stacking platform in conjunction with baby angles for odd-shaped placements. The #4 and #5 will be available in a straight version only (no lefts or rights).

The #4 Tomahawk, along with the smaller sizes:

Oh my.   

They are heavy per usual for Tomahawks but fit that bigger than a Spectre (or stacked Spectres or stacked beaks) arrow size that is too small for micro cam mojo.

Super-bitchen me thinks. Well made for sure. Only used in sandstone but they were mega. Great in crud.

Bryan Lawwrote:

The #4 Tomahawk should be out later this summer, as well as a #5 in the near future. Oliver and a few other climbers were given #4 and #5 prototypes for testing and to provide feedback.

Both the #4 and #5 are made of the same thickness 4130 CrMo steel as the #1 Tomahawk (0.125”) and the #4 weighs 142 grams, just a few grams more than the #3 Tomahawk. Combining the hooking action of a beak-type piton with the springiness of a shallow angle piton (i.e. the old SMC shallow angles), the design features a milled taper on the front portion of the blade and a shallow bend along the blade axis. These large Tomahawks work great for thin expando and the blade bend allows them to be used as a pin stacking platform in conjunction with baby angles for odd-shaped placements. The #4 and #5 will be available in a straight version only (no lefts or rights).

The #4 Tomahawk, along with the smaller sizes:

Very nice Bryan! 

Those are looking really nice. 

Game changers in my opinion.

Any thoughts of adding and additional 4th point of contact? I find with my modified leeper z's the 4th edge adds more surfice connection/friction and doesn't pivot as much. We'll done Bryan.. sign me up! I'll be stoked to purchase some.. 

They’re bloody good - I’ll definitely be buying some more when they come out!