(Debunked) On-X removes forum posts about people not wanting to sign up to OnX

It is just come to my attention as I was looking through my comments that the entire forum post about people not wanting to sign up, has been removed. It’s not like there was anything important going on in that thread, but it sure as hell is not a good look to see our free-speech ability to talk crap about the MP bosses (as a response to things being misdirected from the point of this post, I retract the term “free speech” and replace it with “ability to talk crap about the MP bosses”) being taken away by the corporate overlords. Just trying to figure out on what grounds the entire thread had to be removed. Is this the future of Mountain Project where the moderators remove anything that threatens them, even if it has no offensive language in it?

That’s not how the 1A works.

It’s a private website. You don’t have free speech here or on any other privately owned website you choose to use. 

I suspect you know this and just want to complain without actually trying to change anything.  

You can suspect whatever you want but you’d be a jackass for doing so. On what grounds exactly did you get information to fuel your suspicion? Your own mind? I’m just bringing it to the attention of the people who use this site and asking on what grounds they removed the post. 

I'm basing this on the words you typed.  You know this.  

You were saying that our free speech was being taken away on this site. It's not.  

The site doesn't need an reason to take down posts nor do they need to share why they did something.  It's not wise but doing so doesn't violate your 1A right.  

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Chad. What the f are you talking about…”You know this” Are you under some kind of insane impression that just because you know something everybody else must too? Your assumptions are really dumb. You know this.

Maybe I was using the term free speech in a way that you took to be legalese. I was actually talking about the communities ability to talk about something that doesn’t fall under the normal guidelines of hate speech or other terms we have agreed-upon to not engage in. I was not aware that having a discussion about us not liking the corporation that bought Mountain project is also something that we are not allowed to talk about.

FrankPS. I never once said that he was correct or incorrect. The dude answered the question, but decided to add on a caveat that he suspected that I already knew the answer before I asked the question. That’s an assumption, a completely unfounded assumption. How am I being unclear about that…. In absolutely no way am I off the deep end and if I am, Im swimming in a sea of logic.

Of the people, by the company, for the company

Jon,

You've gone off the deep end. Please come back to us.

What Chad said about "free speech" is true, yet you are attacking him.

It’s certainly the most non-transparent form of modding I’ve experienced under this crew. Sometimes things are guidelined, sometimes they just disappear, sometimes locked, and there’s no public debriefing.

I’ll add to the consensus that their product means diddily squat to what I need as a climber. May they have continued bad luck capitalizing on our community and sell to an actual climber who cares about the community and the resource many of us have helped develop.

Mostly they seem good at getting rid of stalwarts of the community while adding nothing of value that I can discern as a fairly active climber.

I thinks it’s because I keep flagging all of you 

Mark Pilatewrote:

I thinks it’s because I keep flagging all of you 

Just flagged you for not being a jerk

Jon Hartmannwrote:

 Is this the future of Mountain Project where the moderators remove anything that threatens them, even if it has no offensive language in it?

Whatever the future is, I'd put money down that it's not going to go in the direction you want it to. 

OnX are actually the good guys for driving us back to guidebooks

Silencing criticism is a bad look regardless 

Wait, hold up. Are you saying OnX, the guys that will threaten to take people to court for using route descriptions OnX doesn’t own, is… bad? No way!

Well quick, let’s all switch to one of the other developer’s apps. One that OnX didn’t crush with baseless legal threats.

A forced break from MP forums could be good for some of us…

Ryan Kwrote:

A forced break from MP forums could be good for some of us…

Please don't go.  I can change.

Jon Hartmannwrote:

It is just come to my attention as I was looking through my comments that the entire forum post about people not wanting to sign up, has been removed. It’s not like there was anything important going on in that thread, but it sure as hell is not a good look to see our free-speech ability to talk crap about the MP bosses (as a response to things being misdirected from the point of this post, I retract the term “free speech” and replace it with “ability to talk crap about the MP bosses”) being taken away by the corporate overlords. Just trying to figure out on what grounds the entire thread had to be removed. Is this the future of Mountain Project where the moderators remove anything that threatens them, even if it has no offensive language in it?

They're selling a product. If you don't like it, don't buy it. 

Is this the future of Mountain Project where the moderators remove anything that threatens them, even if it has no offensive language in it?

Yes, but that was the old model too.

WF WF51wrote:

They're selling a product. If you don't like it, don't buy it. 

I have an issue here. The product they are selling I helped creating by volunteering my time to an open source project.
While I understand that what they are fundamentally selling is their user interface, the content is pulled from open source projects with hundreds of hours of my labor. I've long since stopped contributing since this is what it has evolved into.
While I happily pay for caltopo for their features, something about OnX bugs me. I think it's the way they showcase the content and not the interface. Making it seem like they created the actual data. And anything that gets more fat guys in side-by-sides in the wild I don't support. Even though I own one. 

gtlukewrote:

I have an issue here. The product they are selling I helped creating by volunteering my time to an open source project.
While I understand that what they are fundamentally selling is their user interface, the content is pulled from open source projects with hundreds of hours of my labor. I've long since stopped contributing since this is what it has evolved into.
While I happily pay for caltopo for their features, something about OnX bugs me. I think it's the way they showcase the content and not the interface. Making it seem like they created the actual data. And anything that gets more fat guys in side-by-sides in the wild I don't support. Even though I own one. 

The same thing happened with TrailForks when Outside bought it and monetized it.  We had all contributed trails and descriptions, and then they locked everything up.  The enshittification of the internet....

Oh, and F&*K side-by-sides!  Those things are the scourge of the offroad world.

Kevin DeWeese wrote:

I can't remember, did MP ever state in their TOS at any time from the rollout till now that submitted info by its users was intended and promised to be open source? I don't mean conceptually or specifically in posts on the platform by mods/admins, or ad copy, etc; I mean in the actual documentation that matters. 

Scroll to the bottom of any page and click Terms. https://www.adventureprojects.net/ap-terms