Aaaagggrraaaa when is the black diamond C3 coming back?

Wtf black diamond the black market for these things is out of control! BRING BACK THE C3s!

C4s yea standard issue great cams yall really changed the world there but wild country is really giving you a run for your money at this point they are nicer and i see totem poles on the horizon 

Z4s dont fucking talk to me. Garbage. like seriously

Your ropes? I would never, beal, sterling, blue water uhh yea they rope manufacturers 

The ultralights, meh more like ultra alright, 10 year shelf life nah i’m strong enough I’d rather whip on steel cable anyways thanks for all the fixed gear that won’t be worth a damn

My first pair of BD “approach” shoes delaminated like a wet flag in a southern hurricane so i don’t want your feet mittens, and i kinda laugh at anyone in BD climbing shoes, so you don’t do that to well either 

Petzl kicks your ass so hard with ice gear you’re sliding uphill

i think you make some like skiing crap too?

Oh my clothes and jackets and cute hats and this artist series t-shirts. Gtfo with that stuff everyone else is doing, don’t pull a Boing and let the profit margins drive the Company.  just make good climbing gear

What are you even doing as a company?

You know what yall did real well, the fuckin c3s now i gotta get new ones like i’m some kinda degenerate going to the hood to score black tar heroin at 3 in the morning

Last week  i found myself in a remote corner of linville, at the top of a new pitch with my partner’s rack z4s and c4s and my rack of c3s because i almost never leave the house without them, tried the z4 in the slot, was the right size but too wide to go in, lo and behold the c3 again fits where the z4 did not i literally cursed your name out loud in the moment 

Ok thats my diatribe thanks for coming 

BD has some great products and I would argue set the gold standard in performance for quite a few product categories, cams being the big one. 

Their ropes are made by Tendon, same as mammut. 

Ultralight are an imperfect innovation that probably shouldn't be on the market imo, the small weight savings aren't really relevant to 99.99% of climbers, even if it's affordable for many.

I have a friend who's worn his BD's to death and has gotten another pair he loved them so much and the aspect pro's and a few other high end options are well reviewed. 

Their clothing is great, it's what patagucci should cost and it uses some similar designs with a few stand outs such as the stance and the alpine start. 

The loss of C3's is a bummer for many but the complexity and rigidity of them made them more fragile than the single stem options finding that edge case where the head needs to be a few mm smaller is an edge case, exactly why ultralights never should have seen store shelves. 

I had BD approach shoes. Still have not found a shoe that fits like that. I love the aspect pro. I definitely don't climb hard enough to feel any different than Air Tommy's.

BD ski's (Helio carbon) are great skis.

I agree that z4's are embarrassing outside of the large sizes (and cost as much as totems) and the ultralights with their unknown life don't inspire confidence.

Some of their soft goods are pretty good. I.E. Shells and midweight insulation.

That being said,

GIVE ME MY C3'S!!!!!!

if you all get c3s then they won’t look quite as cool on my rack. 

have you considered tiny hexes?

Yea ok “edge case” that happens like once a week, sounds like engineer speak for we don’t think this happens but we never go outside or have to rely on this device to keep from breaking your neck. The narrowness of tricams is the whole flipping reason so many people carry them. The fact that people are paying so much for C3 cams on the black market right now is proof that this is a highly desirable sized cam.

Revise the flaws of the c3 and re release 

The BD brand is fumbling i used to be all BD all day, now its middle of the road just ok gear.

NEVER BUYING ANOTHER PAIR OF BD SHOES super hard pass “reviews” are no longer worth anything, online reviews are bought by the company no longer are honest reviews even a thing, i’m on like my 15th pair of evolv approaching shoes, i like them, i feel good when i buy evolv, i switched it up for one pair of shoes and paid extra over the evolv shoes and got burned, why TF we even talking about shoes?

Remember that video where alex hondawg was in a shop getting a green c3 repaired? If its good enough for hon its good enough for me.

One of my very first climbing trips was to the gunks, afterwards i stopped into rock and snow(hi Rich)glad he is free of running a shop and running around with his wife now btw. Anyway i asked the kid behind the counter what his favorite cam was, he handed me the yellow c3, which i purchased as my first and maybe only cam i have ever paid full price for.

But yes tout the clothing and shoe lines

Absolutely circling the toilet with brand value 

its like going in a restaurant that sells sushi and pizza and doughnuts and, and and…. you know that menu has too much stuff on it so all of it is going to be bad vs going to a specialty pizza joint and the only thing they sell is pizza you know thats gonna be so good.

petzl logicwrote:

if you all get c3s then they won’t look quite as cool on my rack. 

have you considered tiny hexes?

I’m not much of a wizard, possibly i could employ this witch i know to cast some hexes so i have more sendies 

Ti ckwrote:

Remember that video where alex hondawg was in a shop getting a green c3 repaired? If its good enough for hon its good enough for me.

The fact he needs to get it repaired at all proves my point. 

that guy named sebwrote:

The fact he needs to get it repaired at all proves my point. 

My point was that a climber far superior to you or I went to some lengths to replace/repair this model of cam, i’m also going to guess that he didn’t hang it on the wall and went back out and continued using it. That seems like a pretty solid endorsement. You know better than honnold? 

Do these cams have flaws? yea probably, so they need some tweaks before a re release fine. their absence from the market is a crime especially since BD is cooking waffles and pizza and sushi in the same kitchen 

Ewwwwww brotha ewwwwwwwww, ewwwww what are those????

“Edgecase” I really can’t get over that one, amazed and embarrassed for you because you said it. Climbing is an edge case, its like .5% of the population. My edgecase the other day was having no other option but the c3 or maybe a dirty tricam but ewwww no. And because of that its ok to just not worry about it because what, profit?

Two factors that i have realized makeboth the c3 and tricam frequently superior 

Three points of contact can be narrower for an oval feature/opening and simultaneously is less likely to get fixed in a highly irregular crack.

thats it 

metolious, love you guys, BD is going to shit because chounard retired and is busy saving patagonia and corporate merica only give jobs to people with the fanciest resume and best ability to make monies not the longest/most impressive tick lists, so like metolius bros you guys can you like just build a knock off c3? I want to love you guys i know its US based climbers but i honestly do not love the cams, here is a great big market opportunity for you. BD wants to make sHoES and coOl t-sHiRts now, step up and take the crown the cherries are ripe for picking

This thread reads like some master villain fed AI bot accounts the absolute worst of MP then let them loose on one-another.

I like a lot of BD gear, including C3s. I guard mine religiously. Their approach shoes are really sweet IMO, but just don't last long enough to warrant a repeat purchase. It seems like the quality I prefer most in an approach shoe is softness/suppleness, but this quality frequently feels at odds with longevity.

Hey I’m willing to admit i am deranged 

I really just wanted to get a set of c3s for my climbing partner without breaking the bank because above all else i just don’t want anyone to get hurt so i wanted to complain and what better place to complain than MP forums?

McLovinwrote:

metolious, love you guys, 

I, too, love Metolius. 

Y'all remember that story from ten years ago about the partyboi crew who decided to climb South Six, with each member of the group bringing one and only one cam to contribute to the group rack, with no one knowing what the others brought?

Every single person brought an orange Mastercam.

(Except for the seventh person, who brought his entire rack because safety third, thus allowing them to protect the route, but that's neither here nor there).

It's on the forum somewhere. Cory, do you remember that one?

F r i t zwrote:

I, too, love Metolius. 

Y'all remember that story from ten years ago about the partyboi crew who decided to climb South Six, with each member of the group bringing one and only one cam to contribute to the group rack, with no one knowing what the others brought?

Every single person brought an orange Mastercam.

(Except for the seventh person, who brought his entire rack because safety third, thus allowing them to protect the route, but that's neither here nor there).

It's on the forum somewhere. Cory, do you remember that one?

South Six

Grant Tobinwrote:

South Six

Teewinot would like to award you this craft lager for your dedication to academic integrity in unearthing the primary source document.

Finn Lanverswrote:

I had BD approach shoes. Still have not found a shoe that fits like that. I love the aspect pro. I definitely don't climb hard enough to feel any different than Air Tommy's.

BD ski's (Helio carbon) are great skis.

I agree that z4's are embarrassing outside of the large sizes (and cost as much as totems) and the ultralights with their unknown life don't inspire confidence.

Some of their soft goods are pretty good. I.E. Shells and midweight insulation.

That being said,

GIVE ME MY C3'S!!!!!!

Man I think those helio skis suck. I skiied them for a few seasons and then got Atomic Backland 107s and my life was changed.

It may just be anecdotal heresay, but C3s are never coming back according to a BD employee I talked to at one of their retail locations. When I asked him about C3s and how I wish they would make them again, (he was visibly annoyed, suggesting he had heard it 1000x before) he told me Z4s are what the company is going with for the indefinite future.  

Fritzy why do you always smell like goats? And why didn’t you come help me put up FA’s on waxed woodpecker 5.9 on the linville gold coast a couple weeks ago when i texted you, a complete stranger from the internet? Shame on you for not dropping everything you were doing and driving 6-7 hours out of your way to help me, you know i spent 2 days scrubbing that route eating wax and all kinda lychen and fungus off the cliff.  Tisk tisk tisk

Ti ckwrote:

Fritzy why do you always smell like goats? And why didn’t you come help me put up FA’s on waxed woodpecker 5.9 on the linville gold coast a couple weeks ago when i texted you, a complete stranger from the internet? Shame on you for not dropping everything you were doing and driving 6-7 hours out of your way to help me, you know i spent 2 days scrubbing that route eating wax and all kinda lychen and fungus off the cliff.  Tisk tisk tisk

Au contraire, it is tha gotez who smell like me!

That day, I was picketing the BD retail store with signs that read "Make Black Diamond Great Again" and "Read My Lobes: No New Axels."

I was actually scheduled to douse myself in Metolius cam lube and perform ritualistic self-immolation in protest, but some BD sympathizer stole the lube to try to improve the action of his X4 #0.1

McLovinwrote:

Hey I’m willing to admit i am deranged 

I really just wanted to get a set of c3s for my climbing partner without breaking the bank because above all else i just don’t want anyone to get hurt so i wanted to complain and what better place to complain than MP forums?

R/climbingcirclejerk

This shit is just obnoxious. Over there at least it’s the norm.

Are you both McLovin AND TI CK? You’re double trolling us? Jesus. 

You are correctly i am one with the tick and mclovin how else was i supposed to keep track of my tick list when the greap moutain project mcmoderators banned me for a year?

Its is 100% supposed to be obnoxious, as obnoxious as i can humanly muster, so glad its working! never really wanted to troll so much as complain loudly and everything is more fun if its a bit of a shit show. Why so serious? You can’t take the internet seriously or you’ll get hemorrhoids 

You know who probably has hemorrhoids? those folks at BD who decided to stop making sweet sweet cams and instead make second rate shoes!  Fritzy is right we need to stage some protests! Occupy BD or something until they bring back c3 cams

fern g has offered a ray of hope in his message of despair, the BD staff is already annoyed by everyone else asking for the c3 cams back

its working