Garden of The Gods Scrambling rules are insane?

Greg Dwrote:

Im so embarrassed for you I’m blushing right now.  

Imagine 20 tourists scrambling up the camel gully. Have you been there. I’ve seen it in person.  One scrambler falls, takes out a few other scramblers on his way down. Now you have several people hurt up a loose soft sandstone scramble. Now the rescuers get to risk injury to save their asses. 

SAR is great at evaluating and mitigating the risks to their own health and safety. That’s a solid red herring in this argument though. Considering YOSAR conducts several high-angle rescues on El Cap every year, I think a good SAR team can easily manage a rescue of people in a gully. By your logic, roped climbing should be banned to keep SAR teams safe.

Do you truly not understand how slippery this slope is (pun intended)? You think all land managers recognize the difference between scramblers on class 4 terrain and climbers on 5th class, let alone gives a shit? Have you not seen land managers—private and public—that have banned climbing?

It is not the government’s job to protect people from themselves. It leads to loss of rights in enjoying our public lands as we see fit. Land managers should protect the natural resources and users from putting other users in extreme, unnecessary risk.

Artem Vee wrote:

All is fair in love and war. 

What a childish statement.

Good luck to you, Artem, and bad luck to your theories.

Brent Kellywrote:

What a childish statement.

Brent,

After reading your posts here and in the Carabiner Block rap thread, it seems that indeed you, and mainly you, are the troll that you accuse others of being. 

You regularly make degrading statements about others' mental capacity. 

In this thread, for instance, when people disagreed with you, jokingly or seriously, you put them down in various ways.

I accuse YOU of being THE TROLL!

Bryan Longweywrote:

Brent,

After reading your posts here and in the Carabiner Block rap thread, it seems that indeed you, and mainly you, are the troll that you accuse others of being. 

You regularly make degrading statements about others' mental capacity. 

In this thread, for instance, when people disagreed with you, jokingly or seriously, you put them down in various ways.

I accuse YOU of being THE TROLL!

Looks like the shoe is on the other foot!

Bryan Longweywrote:

Brent,

After reading your posts here and in the Carabiner Block rap thread, it seems that indeed you, and mainly you, are the troll that you accuse others of being. 

You regularly make degrading statements about others' mental capacity. 

In this thread, for instance, when people disagreed with you, jokingly or seriously, you put them down in various ways.

I accuse YOU of being THE TROLL!

Oh no!

Anyways.

Tradibanwrote:

Looks like the shoe is on the other foot!

Take it off ;)

There’s just too much legal rock around the area where you can scramble, to worry too much about the handful of places you can’t.