PSA reminder to leave your Drones at Home

New great thought ..... maybe tranquility in the back country can be saved by the CIA .... they could share their mini-,super-quiet - bee sized spy drones with outdoors people .... so outdoors people could use drones that wouldn't disturb others !

Ian Dibbswrote:

New great thought ..... maybe tranquility in the back country can be saved by the CIA .... they could share their mini-,super-quiet - bee sized spy drones with outdoors people .... so outdoors people could use drones that wouldn't disturb others !

They could let us use some government spy drones (birds) because everyone knows birds aren't real. 

Money isn't real either, especially when the American bootlickers who forced you to pick an out of state school are involved. 

A V wrote:

your math was wrong

I think your math may be off. I graduated in 2002 with a Masters of Architecture. I paid for everything with loans work.  No scholarships or help from parents. I was $35k in debt. 

A V wrote:

some 18 year olds have no concept of money 

fixed that for you

As a counterargument to all of the previous twelve pages: why don’t all of y’all quit arguing and go climb something? Take a nice long hike outside with a sandwich, some trail mix and a big jar of homemade lemonade? Seems like more fun, yes? 

For every time someone talks about student loans, a drone flies over a crowded crag with a Bluetooth speaker playing "Gummo" by Tekashi 6ix9ine.

I keep seeing activity in the trip reports section and my initial reflex is to go “oh sweet, an interesting adventure to read about! Maybe even a cool picture or two!!  ” So I click on it and NOPE just this horse shit again. 

I just came to announce that i dont like this thread!

Climbing Weaselwrote:

As a counterargument to all of the previous twelve pages: why don’t all of y’all quit arguing and go climb something? Take a nice long hike outside with a sandwich, some trail mix and a big jar of homemade lemonade? Seems like more fun, yes? 

That’s what I had been doing until AV kept trying to prove how free, just, and unconcerned he is.

Also it’s been raining a bit here and I just cracked the rear frame on my mountain bike so …

M Mwrote:

I just came to announce that i dont like this thread!

When they really love all this! I can’t stop myself from chiming in either. 

 I don’t know what’s more entertaining AV constantly replying the same thing to every new MPer that makes it their life’s mission to tear down AV’s choices in life or everyone that thinks their choices in life are so superior. My fav is, and I’m paraphrasing, I paid off every loan, live the perfect financial life and went to college for the perfect career. If everyone lived like AV the banks would collapse! Haha.. news flash.. Banks live like AV. If only Jamie Dimon at JP Morgan would by AV’s debt for pennies then he’ll could get himself a house, a car, wife 2.5 kids and a white picket fence like a good little MP. 

A V wrote:

I can post one or two to help make up for this shitshow. 

Though I’m also totally down to make this forum into the judge judy thread.

Lets debate/shame each others financial and life decisions - we’re all climbers so it should be get pretty juicy. 

So who’s next? 

Aren't you the one trying to shame those that don't agree with your life and financial decisions?  You said that anyone who pays back their loans are corporate slaves who should kill themselves.  

A V wrote:

Ah yes, I’ll go be a good little indentured servant instead of climbing and living the only life I’ll ever have, ever. What was I thinking? 

I’ll go ahead and listen to the geezers and trade in everything that I do currently for a cubicle so that they like me. I obviously don’t deserve anything else from life. If I’m lucky, I might even have the courage to put a barrel in my mouth and paint the walls of my studio apartment after a decade or two of joylessly slaving away my youth and accomplishing virtually nothing in the world other than moving some numbers around on a spreadsheet. 

‘Murica

John Tex wrote:

I personally like the "I spent six years indiscriminately killing people so that I wouldn't have student debt because at 18 I knew how to make all of the perfect life choices (including that one) so therefore you must pay back ALL of your debt even though it's an entirely different system - oh yeah, i voted for Bernie!" folks. 

It's funny, like clown funny, if not believable. This country would be in trouble if people really thought like that. 

John, I would appreciate you learning a bit about strategic deterrence, the Cold War and the practices and intents of the Soviet Union and the legacy that still lives on in Russia as a direct result before bluntly, in quotes, accusing me of indiscriminately killing people.  It's not a good look.  Glad you get to enjoy the fruits of the USN's and our allies labor though good sir.  

John Tex wrote:

Not a good look to right leaning boomers perhaps. I actually know plenty. I suggest you look into the history of American colonialism before lecturing on the topic. Some might not consider that a good look. 

Ahh yes, a guilty by association fallacy.  Should all BLM supporters be jailed for the .5% that damage public property?  Or should all Trump supporters be jailed for the 1000 or so that stormed the capital and called for the execution of the VP?  Or should the public not have opinions or participate in society?  

When are they going to start requiring a class in logical reasoning in public schools...

Bill Kirbywrote:

news flash.. Banks live like AV. 

You're not wrong...but it's also ok to dislike the "screw my financial obligations" attitude regardless of whether it comes from the top or the bottom.

Just when this thread appears to be dying, someone comes in and saves us from actually getting back to work at our soul crushing desk jobs in the corporate slave camps.
I’m amazed it took so long for someone to begin defending AV. Good on ya John Tex.

Yes, we should pay our financial obligations. However, the greed and corruption at the top of our government and financial system make it extremely hard to defend “the system.” 

A V wrote:

Ever made a decision as a highschooler that you regret as an adult - or are you special in that regard?

On the bright side, I’m happy it wasn’t a more serious mistake, like having a child (an actual, real responsibility) or getting into heroin.

  I’ve made mistakes as an adult I regretted as an adult and decisions as a teenager that I am beyond grateful for. Andy’s post is valid. You were speaking in absolutes and he was attempting to correct that by saying only ”some” teenagers make poor (financial) decisions. 

FWIW doing heroin sounds way more fun and fiscally responsible than having children 

Go Back to Super Topowrote:

FWIW doing heroin sounds way more fun and fiscally responsible than having children 

No way jose, having kids is way more fun then drugs. And if done right, they’re a fiscal positive.

Go Back to Super Topowrote:

  I’ve made mistakes as an adult I regretted as an adult and decisions as a teenager that I am beyond grateful for. Andy’s post is valid. You were speaking in absolutes and he was attempting to correct that by saying only ”some” teenagers make poor (financial) decisions. 

FWIW doing heroin sounds way more fun and fiscally responsible than having children 

How hard could a junkie climb if some free smack was available at the anchors, it's all i want to know.

A V wrote:

Where I’m from, most young people have made some amount of poor financial decisions.

I made stupid decisions as a teenager. Still make them…… participating in MP forums?

The thing that puzzles me is that you seem downright proud to have shirked your responsibility to repay your debt. Making statements along the lines of “I took something worth 6 figures and never paid for it and you can too. There are no negative consequences! Its key to a happy life.”  I’m not ashamed I make dumb choices, thats part of being human. But when I make a dumb choice (for example, signing a 6 year enlistment contract and regretting it only a few months in) I dont hire a lawyer to weasel my way out of it. And if I did I wouldn’t brag about it online and rationalize it ad nauseam by claiming everyone does it and the system is rigged. Other people being shitty and the fact that the system is rigged isnt a reason to be selfish, its a reason to work to improve the system. And if you think the system here is too rigged to be fixed, go take advantage of another system and leave the rest of us to do the work to improve this one.