PSA reminder to leave your Drones at Home

Glen Priorwrote:

Check book?? Don't use one anymore. I'd like to see you make me pay.

Thats the attitude I was expecting! I dont like it, so f*ck you.

When your drone can bring you needed (or take away unneeded) gear mid-route........

Mr Rogerswrote:

Thats the attitude I was expecting! I dont like it, so f*ck you.

It's the equivalent of, "I'm going to fly my drone wherever I want, so f**k you".

"PSA reminder to leave your Drones at Home" is missing the qualifier from your first sentence in the post "at a busy crag".

Same thing goes with dogs and music. It's fine unless it impacts someone/something else. Lately I'm often climbing at a crag that's 30 minutes up a high clearance required road and I rarely see anyone else there. I take my dog off leash. I play music. And now after this thread I realize I want to take a drone to scout new FAs. In 10 minutes I can see what would take me hours on foot and still not see the upper part of the cliff. This will lead to focusing on establishing higher quality routes. If someone shows up I'll greet them and alter my actions to not bother them. 

Glen Priorwrote:

Check book?? Don't use one anymore. I'd like to see you make me pay.

He won’t but a judge could. 

Tradibanwrote:

I would be the first to shoot a drone out of the air but I don’t see the chances of your reasons to be very high.

They’re obnoxious and that’s reason enough to cancel them.

Anybody have any “That drone severed my rope!” stories?

Not a rope cut story but …

We were canyoneering in Goblin Valley around ‘17.  A drone started to follow our little group of three around for around 45 minutes. We got to our final rappel into the Goblins Lair cave. You drop down into a 10’ x 10’ depression that has a 4’ hole in the middle. We’re setting up our 100’ free hanging rap into the hole down into the Lair.

Drone comes back. We wave it off. It gets closer - 20’   We wave it off. It gets even closer - 10’.  I pick up a rock and flick off the drone. It tries to buzz me. I throw the rock, the drone gets hit, falls through the hole into the Lair. We all rap down into the Lair to find a really high guy crying over the wreck of a drone. He looked at me and says ‘why?  it just wanted to be friends’. I told him to piss off.

Back at the parking lot high guy tries to report us to a ranger for wrecking his drone. Ranger informs high guy that drones are illegal to use in the part without a permit. High guy has no permit. We leave the parking lot and see high guy getting a ticket. 

Obviously flying in wilderness and national parks is illegal, and it's plain rude to fly one around people, but I love all the "I'll shoot your drone down" people. Haha go for it, spend some time in court and likely jail because a dull hum that's quieter than "OK, JEREMY, TAKE!!!" ruined your precious "5 minute walk to a roadside crag soulful adventure"

Go on, Yosemite Sam, illegally discharging a firearm AND destruction of property will look good on ya. Don't forget drones are also remote cameras.... 

Tradibanwrote:

I don’t know why the youth think everything needs to be filmed.

Nothing to do with 'youth' at all. It's because it became so much easier once we got away from the pita that is film. We (society, not youth) always wanted to have motion pictures of a lot of things but really couldn't do it easily or low cost.

Chad Millerwrote:

Not a rope cut story but …

We were canyoneering in Goblin Valley around ‘17.  A drone started to follow our little group of three around for around 45 minutes. 

Sorry. You just activated my BS meter. What consumer drone has a flying time of 45 minutes? Most max at 20 - the cheaper ones at 10.

Tear down these drones, America. Just say no.

Marc801 Cwrote:

Sorry. You just activated my BS meter. What consumer drone has a flying time of 45 minutes? Most max at 20 - the cheaper ones at 10.

45 minutes off and on.   It would around us for five minutes and be gone just as long. We had a five minute or so lull where we thought the drone had left us right before we got to the Lair entrance.  At that time we couldn’t see or hear the drone. No idea on the drone type but it was rather large. 

Glen Priorwrote:

It's the equivalent of, "I'm going to fly my drone wherever I want, so f**k you".

Solid false equivalence if they're both legal activities in the area.
If you shoot down a drone flying legally you're the dick...And the drone operator would be a dick if they were flying illegally.
Real simple in my mind, don't be a dick.

The position on drones is very similar to that of dogs on these here MP forums.

Marc801 Cwrote:

Nothing to do with 'youth' at all. It's because it became so much easier once we got away from the pita that is film. We (society, not youth) always wanted to have motion pictures of a lot of things but really couldn't do it easily or low cost.

I’m referring to the youth’s obsession with seeing through a lens or attempting to relive moments. It’s very navel gazing.

Gloweringwrote:

Lately I'm often climbing at a crag that's 30 minutes up a high clearance required road and I rarely see anyone else there.

Include an hour hike, and rarely becomes too much.

x15x15wrote:

Include an hour hike, and rarely becomes too much.

In 2020 I was often climbing at a nice crag that had an hour hike and had never been climbed. At the start of the approach is a roadside crag that is pretty popular.

It was funny when everything was shut down for Covid, and people were going stir crazy,  we were up in the mountains with no one around enjoying the great outdoors.

As a side note, would it be possible to fly up some tagline with the drone over mussys/cold shuts, and then haul up the rope? Not saying I’d ever do that ofc but a thought I had regarding tech in climbing. 

Tradibanwrote:

I’m referring to the youth’s obsession with seeing through a lens or attempting to relive moments. It’s very navel gazing.

Eh, put any generation in the same spot with the same tech and they'd do the same thing. You may have grown up with stories written, dramatically retold or snippets of film, but you can't say that in hearing these tales you didn't want to see the real thing as it happened. It's as much a search for truth/reality of something as it is self-obsession. 

Casey Jwrote:

Eh, put any generation in the same spot with the same tech and they'd do the same thing. You may have grown up with stories written, dramatically retold or snippets of film, but you can't say that in hearing these tales you didn't want to see the real thing as it happened. It's as much a search for truth/reality of something as it is self-obsession. 

I can appreciate aspects of it for sure, especially the professional uses, it just seems like many drone users are literally addicted to seeing things through a small screen over actually taking in the surroundings they are in. I tend to see people flying them without proper permits or knowledge of laws or even common courtesy so that doesn't help the cause.

M Mwrote:

I tend to see people flying them without proper permits or knowledge of laws or even common courtesy so that doesn't help the cause.

I saw the shortstop get clobbered by an errant drone at a high school game.  caused a small commotion.

Maybe I’m wrong, but complaining “it’s ugly, loud, possibly dangerous, annoying to me” is also how a lot of climbing areas lose access? Some people don’t like us ugly climbers ruining their beautiful imagery of a frozen waterfall. (Justification for a specific closure in NE Ohio). We should be excited that the droners want to film cool cliffs rather than ban climbers from climbing them. Who are we to tell someone else how to enjoy being outside? Yeah it’s super freaking annoying, but so are most of us.