Woodcock Cove

Jim Corbettwrote:

Whining about names, ratings, and who did what first are all part of the game and finally don't amount to much. The real issue is when people come in and just immediately start slamming bolts into all the 'new' lines. Usually the information that an area has been climbed at is known, and if you have a question about whether an area has been climbed at someone can tell you if ask around. Generally developers will also leave signs that they have been in an area, e.g. random fixed gear and rap anchors. Simply put, if it is known that an area has been climbed at, then the default assumption should be that any line that is reasonably clean and has a reasonable number of gear placements (and not necessarily 'G' or even 'PG') has been climbed and should not have anything added to it until it can be determined whether it is in fact a cherry. I can't even fathom why someone would want to: retro bolting, even in ignorance, is an admission that you can't climb something as well as some old fat fart, and that should be embarrassing. 

And as a counter argument to yours, it was well known that Yellow Bluff had seen extensive development before it was originally closed. The developers were still around and eager to share the information. The SCC did not give a shit.

The SCC is now concerned with pronouns and who the second most recent group of people was to occupy the area around crags. 

I don’t know any of the people involved but users should be free to share their opinions about people, routes, places….don’t try to “cancel” people just because they have a different opinion than you.

As a MP admin, I consider it part of my responsibility to refrain from responding to juvenile personal attacks like the ones posted in this discussion.  However, I will take the opportunity to correct some misinformation that’s been stated here.

I was shocked and saddened to learn of Shannon’s passing.  He was a true southern climbing legend; I can’t think of a climbing area in the south that doesn’t have the stamp of his first ascents.  Shannon and I were not close friends, but I have fond memories of the times I spent climbing with him years ago and the great stories he told.

In my comments in this discussion, I pointed out that Shannon made the choice to withhold information about Yellow Bluff when he was asked for it.  This is not a “dig” or negative comment about Shannon as a person; it’s a statement of fact to counter the erroneous idea that Yellow Bluff route developers were eager to share their knowledge.  I’m sure Shannon had some reason for making the choice he did, but as we all know, choices have consequences.

Regarding the moving of this discussion from the Woodcock Cove area page, this action on my part is a legitimate and appropriate part of MP admin duties.  It is accurate that admins have no ability to moderate forum discussions, including removal of the offensive posts in this thread.  But we are encouraged to keep the comments section of area pages confined to comments, by transferring comments that have turned into discussions to the forums, where they belong (as someone has already pointed out).  If this was not part of admin duties, we would not have the ability to do it.

Hopefully this will clear things up for those who have been misinformed.

JL

saxfiendwrote:

As a MP admin, I consider it part of my responsibility to refrain from responding to juvenile personal attacks like the ones posted in this discussion.  However, I will take the opportunity to correct some misinformation that’s been stated here.

I was shocked and saddened to learn of Shannon’s passing.  He was a true southern climbing legend; I can’t think of a climbing area in the south that doesn’t have the stamp of his first ascents.  Shannon and I were not close friends, but I have fond memories of the times I spent climbing with him years ago and the great stories he told.

In my comments in this discussion, I pointed out that Shannon made the choice to withhold information about Yellow Bluff when he was asked for it.  This is not a “dig” or negative comment about Shannon as a person; it’s a statement of fact to counter the erroneous idea that Yellow Bluff route developers were eager to share their knowledge.  I’m sure Shannon had some reason for making the choice he did, but as we all know, choices have consequences.

Regarding the moving of this discussion from the Woodcock Cove area page, this action on my part is a legitimate and appropriate part of MP admin duties.  It is accurate that admins have no ability to moderate forum discussions, including removal of the offensive posts in this thread.  But we are encouraged to keep the comments section of area pages confined to comments, by transferring comments that have turned into discussions to the forums, where they belong (as someone has already pointed out).  If this was not part of admin duties, we would not have the ability to do it.

Hopefully this will clear things up for those who have been misinformed.

JL

You ought to be ashamed of yourself.