A Question on Beak Preferences.
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I was examining my aid gear and realized I have a really awesome wall rack… for 1995. the Closest thing I have to Beaks are cut off Crack-n-Ups. So, I’m going to buy some Beaks. I’m aware of who is making what, but I’m curious about what people like. BD, Moses, combinations, mixes? What are people liking? Usage is granite, East and West. Slinging and cabling are not an issue, since I can do it myself, or have Skot do it if I’m feeling super lazy. I lay the question before the Cognoscenti! |
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Moses Tomahawks. |
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Moses Theron Tomahawks are great peckers - they have far and away the best cables. |
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The BD beaks are as good as you’ll ever need. Their wires do suck though. Have Skot rewire them and sew webbing to their top holes. |
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^^ Hey Mark, have you tried the Camp Iron Hawks? Same size as the BD #1. Better point, better bite, and they have a hole in the top through which you can tie a cleaning-racking loop. I think the small BD #1 Peckers don't have a hole on top? Or at least they didn't used to.... |
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Pete, what makes the iron hawks better than the tomohawks? |
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Andrew, Camp only makes their Iron Hawks in the #1 size, so I am comparing them to a #1 BD pecker. They have a hole in the head for a cleaning-racking loop, and I like the shape better. They seem to "bite" better than the #1 Pecker. The blade is a shade longer, and a slightly different angle. |
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Peter Zabrok wrote: I really like the Iron Hawks as well. The wider, less fragile tip is nice and they are very durable compared to the small Peckers. It seems like it would be a no brainer for Cassin (or CAMP?) to scale up the design for some larger sizes. They would be a nice complement to a rack of Tomahawks. There aren't many (Western) European climbing companies that offer beaks. Just Cassin/CAMP and KopaDeGas who offers a few different types. Could you post a picture of the #4 beaks? Im interested to see what the are shaped like and how much larger they are than a #3 (Tomahawk or Pecker). How's the weight? |
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Hey Brian, Incidentally, my partner and I are still looking for an experienced third to join us starting September 15. These big wall nailup projects take about two weeks from start to finish, including schlepping and fixing, climbing and repairing hardware, and descent. Message me if you have the time and experience. If you don't have a couple weeks available the last two weeks of September, at least come by the evening of Tuesday September 14th for a big bash at the bear boxes! It's gonna be a real RIPPER! Bring your favourite beer or wine. There might even be some margaritas, with salted rim, of course. |
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The drill out pattern on the red beak looks awfully familiar… |
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That red one isn't one of mine, looks like a drilled out 3. Il have a new design #4 soon. Il post a photo when they're done |
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Do you have a website where you sell these? |
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Peter Zabrok wrote: Hey Pete how do the #4’s compare to the DMM Bulldogs and terrier’s? I find their thickness is a decent replacement for arrows. |
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Hmmm. The DMM Terrier looks pretty cool. Hadn't seen that before. |
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Huh. I never noticed the weight difference between Moses and BD. I have one or two Krukonogi beaks that Fabio gave-ah me when I come-ah see him inna Italia, where the pizza and gelato really IS better. I like 'em, but good luck finding 'em now as they're from Russia. Those and I reckon anything titanium. |
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Dudes... I think Krukonogi is DEAD (And I don't feel so good myself....) |
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It is the tribal wisdom and collective knowledge of the Beakverse that I was hoping to unearth. I've also moved my Specters out of my "New England Ice frozen mud pro" box, into my "really big hooks" box. Although, maybe I should take them to work to use on a couple of Loose Flakes there… Thank you all for the info! |
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Ty Kom wrote: No but send me a message if you want some |
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Andrew O'Brien wrote: The #4s are 1/4" thick. Can't remember but I think they are similar thickness. The difference is the 4's have a tapered blade whereas the dmm have a straight blade, the ones I used to own did anyways unless they've changed. |
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Does anyone have any Vermin hardware? (Not John Sherman, rather a maker of fine steel tools named Vermin from the south). He not only made the best big hooks, but also was making an awesome beak design as well In the 1990s. |
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Ryan Larocque wrote: Hi Ryan, I messaged you about getting some of your beaks, but I'm not sure if it went through. Sorry for the double notification if it did go through |