Illegally captured images

Curious of people’s thoughts on images captured illegally being posted/left on this site.

I see images here and there, taken in National Forest or NP that are drone taken. Images on this site have been removed before for condoning/showing illegal behavior before (people climbing Navajo Lands since their closure in the 90’s or whatever have been removed). 

Show me on the doll where the photos hurt you. 

gingerwrote:

Curious of people’s thoughts on images captured illegally being posted/left on this site.

Illegally taken photos should be removed from this site. Suggest we identify them to affected  land managers who can take it up with onX.

If we can flag an offensive route names causing them to be redacted, onX could easily add a feature to  do the same with such photos.  Until they do, contact the land managers.

Edit: One can already flag a photo for any reason.  Perhaps elevate that to hiding photos flagged as illegally taken. Allow admins to override such flagging if onX determines the photo is actually ok. 

Bill Lawrywrote:

.  Until they do, contact the land managers.

What's the advantage of doing this? Seems like it would give land managers more ammo against climbers and possibly endanger access.

F r i t zwrote:

What's the advantage of doing this? Seems like it would give land managers more ammo against climbers and possibly endanger access.

The land managers have the salient perspective. And I’ll wager onX will listen to them a little more intently than to you or I.

The pilots flying drones illegally are the ones endangering access. No?

Beth Cwrote:

Show me on the doll where the photos hurt you. 

Funny. Not very productive.

You probably don’t care for a response but the methods/means photographers use to get some pictures are illegal, damaging, or potentially harmful. Was curious about opinions other than my own and would love to hear some.

Bill Lawrywrote:

 And I’ll wager onX will listen to them a little more intently than to you or I.

I actually had a pretty good conversation with one of the mods who reached out to me directly in response to a question I posted.

The pilots flying drones illegally are the ones endangering access. No?

They certainly are, and I hate encountering drones in places they should not be. I'm all for NPS busting drone pilots operators in person and assessing them with fines. But it seems like a risky move to point that out after the fact if it's climbing related. I'd like to think the NPS would laud us for climbers policing other climbers and taking responsibility, but it seems more likely that it would be viewed as a strike against climbing as a whole.

So, confront the perps at the time if you see them, or shame them after the fact in the image comments. I'm sure onyX will add a "flag image" function soon enough.

F r i t zwrote:

I actually had a pretty good conversation with one of the mods who reached out to me directly in response to a question I posted.

By “intently”, I don’t mean just to listen.

I'm sure onyX will add a "flag image" function soon enough.

Flag image is already available (I just noticed)  … but needs to actually hide an image flagged as illegal until a determination is made.

Else, MP is just giving the drone pilots / operators a venue to post illegally captured photos. 

Contact the Access Fund and tell them your idea. Guarantee they won't agree with you or your hypothesis, Bill.

Better make sure OnX bans any talk about Free Solo or any number of climbing films that were illegally filmed with drones or without the proper filming permits!!!!

Dylan McIntoshwrote:

Better make sure OnX bans any talk about Free Solo or any number of climbing films that were illegally filmed with drones or without the proper filming permits!!!!

While I can't prove it, I imagine for a project the scope of Free Solo that Jimmy C. and NatGeo would make sure they had all the permits and approvals they need.

Getting permits is very difficult in the valley but not impossible by any means.
If I can get them for our vertical dance company, you bet Free Solo production had them without much headache.

Dylan McIntoshwrote:

Better make sure OnX bans any talk about Free Solo or any number of climbing films that were illegally filmed with drones or without the proper filming permits!!!!

Why do you think that the Free Solo production team didn't have permits?

gingerwrote:

Curious of people’s thoughts on images captured illegally being posted/left on this site.

I see images here and there, taken in National Forest or NP that are drone taken. Images on this site have been removed before for condoning/showing illegal behavior before (people climbing Navajo Lands since their closure in the 90’s or whatever have been removed). 

How do you know that any particular image was obtained illegally, and which were obtained under permit?

Drones are super annoying for sure (especially if you think it's a bee swarm coming at you...ughh), and I'm not defending illegal use.

Gunkiemikewrote:

While I can't prove it, I imagine for a project the scope of Free Solo that Jimmy C. and NatGeo would make sure they had all the permits and approvals they need.

I attended a premiere for a el cap related climbing film last summer, and in the Q/A there was a little discussion from about how permits to film on el cap have gotten incredibly difficult due to the Free Solo team not following the letter of the law.

If it’s not your job to worry about illegally obtained photos, my recommendation is to not worry about illegally obtained photos.

iLLeGaL PiCtUrEs

No Victim, No Crime.

Once you adopt that as a guiding principle life really gets simplified.

Beta Slavewrote:

iLLeGaL PiCtUrEs

No Victim, No Crime.

Once you adopt that as a guiding principle life really gets simplified.

For the love of God, someone explain to me why people capitalize random letters like this! Ive never been able to figure that one out. 

Matthew Jaggerswrote:

For the love of God, someone explain to me why people capitalize random letters like this! Ive never been able to figure that one out. 

It's used for mocking someone. 

Matthew Jaggerswrote:

Contact the Access Fund and tell them your idea. Guarantee they won't agree with you or your hypothesis, Bill.

If ya want access, be respectful of the land and the land managers. Help them meet their responsibilities.  And hold onX to that standard. I doubt the Access Fund and all their lawyers would disagree.

There's never going to be less rules....

First it's illegally obtained photo's of climbers (using drones...which I hate). If we become a nuisance, the easiest thing is to ban said nuisance.

Honestly it surprises me that we're still allowed to bolt on public land. That day's coming... (see Ten Sleep). 

But go ahead, keep causing a ruckus. We'll destroy ourselves....