Semi-educated predictions on when we can climb?

Frank Truth wrote:

Nope, the lesser of two weevils. Still can't believe that in a country of 330 million those two are the best we can come up with.

They arent the best we can come up with, it's the best the Clinton Machine could come up with and still have full control over their puppet. People need to stop thinking the democrats are the party of the people. They arent. The republicans and democrats are literally on the same team, the problem is, most Americans are as dumb as they come and believe the Dems will take care of them, even after they have proved for decades that they wont.

I voted for Trump so I could stick it to HRC - a truly evil person who expected to win “just because it’s my time”... and her and friends worked hard to corrupt the system that brings up the nominees. 

And I quit being a lifelong Democrat because the “Party” in my state has gone nuts.

I voted for Trump in the primary so I could stick it to the GOP.... notice how many of “the old guard” quit and didn’t run for re-election - that’s better than “Term Limits”

So the world turns.....

Edit: Ma Ja ...... I see that you get it. Sometimes you need to burn down the house if you want a new better one, the old one never remodels well. Harsh but reality.

Edit Edit..... to answer the OP. Go climbing now, if you wish, we are still a free people for now. 

Wayne Curr wrote: {Removed by mods}

This is the most succinct summation of the American political system that I have seen. 

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Guy Keesee wrote: I voted for Trump so I could stick it to HRC - a truly evil person who expected to win “just because it’s my time”... and her and friends worked hard to corrupt the system that brings up the nominees.

And I quit being a lifelong Democrat because the “Party” in my state has gone nuts.

I voted for Trump in the primary so I could stick it to the GOP.... notice how many of “the old guard” quit and didn’t run for re-election - that’s better than “Term Limits”

So the world turns.....

Edit: Ma Ja ...... I see that you get it. Sometimes you need to burn down the house if you want a new better one, the old one never remodels well. Harsh but reality. 

Trump wasnt the answer to that call, Dr Jill Stein was. I'd rather have "the outsider" be a nice, in touch person who cares about the environment and human life, and who is obviously smarter than the average joe, rather than some idiot with a 9th grade reading level, who's a spoiled rich kid, and a sociopath, and a pathological liar, and who has managed his own money so horribly that he's lost many many millions of his inheritance before he learned how to scam the Forbes list and many major banks. He's the epitome of the term "failing upwards". He's a crook, and he, along with Chuck and Nancy, just gave away the rest of the money they weren't able to give away in 2009 when Obama was handing it out to the rich.

Artem Vasilyev wrote:

Belittling people for choosing to do something that is inherently meditative/valuable to that person, much less making light of mental illness, is not a way to win anybody over with your argument. This just reads as a smug statement that only serves your sense of self righteousness. I think the more people choose to evangelize and shame, the more the "don't climb no matter what" perspective will be flatly ignored by the population of people climbing under the radar. Same reason why Catholics/Baptists are kinky - forbidden fruit always tastes the sweetest. 

No one is belittling you, but this is a completely entitled Western attitude. The vast majority of the world is able to obtain happiness from things that do not require massive debates and violating current stay at home recommendations. Climbers are just one group of primarily Western white males who can't imagine a world where their hobbies do not dictate their entire lives and are not willing to make a temporary sacrifice for the greater good. They are willing to assume they are the ultimate at assessing risk and will do anything to justify their resulting behavior.  And just because there are still people climbing doesn't mean those people are not somewhat narcissistic and selfish. This is literally the first time in any of our lives where we have all been asked to do one simple thing. We aren't going to war, we are not being drafted, we are being asked to maybe stay home and hang on an edge instead of climb for a few months.

B P wrote:

Which other politician called Mexiacans rapists? Had 1 word nicknames for their opponents? 

Yep those 2 details are particular to Trump. However, that is not what I said. 

Hillary apparently carries hot sauce everywhere, and Biden thinks you can shoot a shotgun into the air to scare intruders. They all are scumbags. 

Please let me know of a politician that doesn't play on fears, make promises that they can't keep, and have stupid catch phrases? 

Well fuck everyone because this was supposed to be my day off from this shot site but here I am tripping on acid watching the trains go by

Can someone please, for the love of god, tell me why Hillary Clinton is so evil?
I don’t mean why is she part of the establishment, why Is she married to Bill who did the things he did In the White House ( which she did not do and IMHO are no different than what the current POSOTUS has done). I don’t want to hear about this BS email scandal which Colin Powel and Trumps kids have been proven of doing the same thing but for some reason it’s always “Hillary’s emails! Hillary’s emails!”
I read the news, I’ve watched documentaries and I just can’t figure it out.

So if anyone can make a colored Flow chart and lay it out like I’m a moron I’d appreciate it. Personally, I would have loved to have Bernie in the White House but  I just don’t get this vehement hatred of Hillary.

Ever since Obama, the right has focused on taking away a woman’s right to make decisions on her own body, making a big deal of 2 dudes who want to get married, making immigrants look like they’re running around with rapies, taking away people’s healthcare and passing bullshit tax reform that serves the top 5% the most.

Enlighten me, I’m all ears. 

Clinton embodies some of the worst aspects of Washington DC politics.  She is a neoliberal hawk in the worst way and tends to be behind just about every regime change war or coup the United States has orchestrated in recent years.  Her record as Secretary of State was atrocious and she had a LONG history of supporting devastating military interventions in the past.  It has nothing to do with the damned e-mails.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/hillary-clintons-enthusia_b_12072652 HuffPo, hardly a conservative rag.

https://www.alainet.org/en/articulo/176826

https://www.forbes.com/sites/dougbandow/2016/09/26/wannabe-global-dominatrix-hillary-clinton-never-met-a-war-she-didnt-want-other-americans-to-fight/

Ted Pinson wrote: Clinton embodies some of the worst aspects of Washington DC politics.  She is a neoliberal hawk in the worst way and tends to be behind just about every regime change war or coup the United States has orchestrated in recent years.  Her record as Secretary of State was atrocious and she had a LONG history of supporting devastating military interventions in the past.  It has nothing to do with the damned e-mails.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/hillary-clintons-enthusia_b_12072652 HuffPo, hardly a conservative rag.

https://www.alainet.org/en/articulo/176826

https://www.forbes.com/sites/dougbandow/2016/09/26/wannabe-global-dominatrix-hillary-clinton-never-met-a-war-she-didnt-want-other-americans-to-fight/

This is exactly what I mean, she hasn’t done anything that a Republican hasn’t done. 

Vietnam, Gulf War, IraqPeople are really surprised that politicians at this level go after special interests? Or the article you quoted about overthrowing Godaffi, what’s so different about that than overthrowing Sadam? Or fighting communists in N Korea? 
Now keep in mind I’m not trying to promote Hillary, nor am I saying that I would be thrilled to have her in office, but I just don’t get why people seem to hate her so much. 
I’m sure this is my post limit so I’ll be back in the AM

Ted Pinson wrote: Clinton embodies...

A few reminders:
Hillary is not POTUS or SecState.
She's not VP or AG or any kind of Congress critter.
Hillary is not a candidate.

I, too, do not understand the obsession the wingnuts have with her.

She's a woman. Trump and his supporters HATE that, unless they "behave."

B P wrote:

This is exactly what I mean, she hasn’t done anything that a Republican hasn’t done. 

Exactly. 

But the GOP has done so much more bad than Clinton has. If you can't see that you are dumb.

Wayne Curr wrote: But the GOP has done so much more bad than Clinton has. If you can't see that you are dumb.

Very convincing. "If you look at it differently than I do, you're dumb."

Rest well, Trump will be gone in four and a half years! 

Max Manson wrote: Stanford researchers have been doing a lot of antibody testing lately and (not surprising at all) are finding out that WAY more people have had the virus than previous estimates. I think they found that in their test pool, 50-85 times more people had the antibodies than the models said. Meaning the death rate could be 50-85 times lower. The testing is not exact, and it was just in the Bay Area, but it definitely shows the estimates were way low. I’ll find the link to the actual study. Maybe I’m being too optimistic, but hopefully as we learn more things like this, the process of getting back to normal will speed up

That study hasn't been peer reviewed yet, and preliminary peer review says it's garbage (only they said it more nicely and with more numbers). Source (which contains links to other sources).

To make matters worse, one of the co-authors of the study also manages a hedge fund, and wrote this op-ed in the Wall Street Journal which says the study is encouraging for investors without mentioning he's one of the co-authors of the study. Sounds a lot like hiding a conflict of interest.

Also note that reporting of this study in the media has been even more optimistic than the study itself was.

This is why I have been telling people to get their information from the CDC, WHO, and local health departments. Science is a process, a SLOW process, and media outlets are reporting on covid-19 research WAY too early in that process for anything they say to be trusted.

Wayne Curr wrote: But the GOP has done so much more bad than Clinton has. If you can't see that you are dumb.

Yep. A party can do more than a person. 

David K wrote: This is why I have been telling people to get their information from the CDC, WHO, and local health departments. Science is a process, a SLOW process, and media outlets are reporting on covid-19 research WAY too early in that process for anything they say to be trusted.

Love this.

Science is a (relatively, especially relative to most modern digital communication processes) slow process of decreasing our overall uncertainty and of increasing overall confidence in situational understanding and predictive modeling. 

Science is NOT a quick process of obtaining definitive, absolute, generalized states of belief that make for easily digestible headlines.

Marc801 C wrote: A few reminders:
Hillary is not POTUS or SecState.
She's not VP or AG or any kind of Congress critter.
Hillary is not a candidate.

I, too, do not understand the obsession the wingnuts have with her.

She almost was POTUS and she was Secretary of State.  I’m not sure what your point is, as I thought the discussion was about why people hated her in 2016.  There were tons of legitimate reasons, as I just scratched the surface on.

B P wrote:

This is exactly what I mean, she hasn’t done anything that a Republican hasn’t done. 

Vietnam, Gulf War, IraqPeople are really surprised that politicians at this level go after special interests? Or the article you quoted about overthrowing Godaffi, what’s so different about that than overthrowing Sadam? Or fighting communists in N Korea? 
Now keep in mind I’m not trying to promote Hillary, nor am I saying that I would be thrilled to have her in office, but I just don’t get why people seem to hate her so much. 
I’m sure this is my post limit so I’ll be back in the AM

People don’t seem to get that the people who voted for Trump didn’t necessarily love Bush.  Yes, there were many traditional Republicans who held their noses and voted but his die-hard supporters are something new.  A lot of the more hawkish elements of the Republican Party left to support her because they felt Trump was *insufficiently* hawkish and are now #neverTrumpers.  The fact that people like Bill Kristol recognized Hillary as their chance to invade Iran is telling.  Most leftists dislike Hillary for the same reasons they dislike Republicans, but all the more because she co-opts supposedly “progressive” politics while simultaneously promoting extremely aggressive imperialist foreign policy. 

 As far as why the right hates her...IDK.  They seem to fixate on Benghazi and are convinced she’s this supreme puppet master who runs pedophile rings and killed Epstein.