Anybody been climbing since the quarantine?

Tradiban wrote:

(Edited out a second time to apologize for how my questions make people feeeeel.)

Wow... Unbelievably tasteless response.

I think you're under the impression that you're some kind of unique thinker who is opening up people's minds to alternative views that they're too shallow to comprehend on their own.

This is simply not the case. There is TONS of data out there. Loads of people who work as healthcare providers, first responders, etc. are doing independent analysis. There are an overwhelming number of opinions out in the world already about the state of the situation. You're not providing any sort of extra useful information by polling Mountain Project (and responses on this thread wouldn't even be a suitable sample size anyway).

You're just being needlessly arrogant and insensitive on an online forum when lots of people are likely dealing with stress and loss.

Just STFU and come back when people want to argue about belay devices. Please have some humanity for people in the meantime.

Well said Harris P & BP & GTS

Alexander Blum wrote: The world is not actually round, which was part of my point here. Being able to critically evaluate the data presented regarding a problem is a skillset - one you and many others seem to lack.

Do people actually critically evaluate the data or do they use it to justify their world view?  Therein lies the rub

Epideomiology is an old scientific problem. It is well understood. That you do not understand it does not mean that others don't.

Epidemiology is not a "problem", it's a branch of medical science. Epidemiology studies viruses, of which Covid is new. All of it's facets are not yet known.

What does this even mean? Leaps in logic? Perceptions of the dataset? I think you are either being deliberately obtuse, or getting statistics, science, and political messaging mixed up. They are not all the same thing.

I'm sorry you don't understand, let me help you with a humorous and exaggerated over-simplification.

We know that the disease spreads when a human touches a penis and then their face within 60 seconds. We know that 10/10 men do this 100 times a day. We know this because we asked 100 men in Times Square in 1992. This guarantees the infection of all men.
We know 5/10 women touch a penis and then their face 10 times a day. We know this because we asked 1000 women in an internet survey in 2008. This guarantees the infection of half of the women.
Assuming the world is 50% men in 50% women, this means 75% of the world will be infected. We know the population of the world is 100 billion people because we used a satellite with a heat scanner. This means 750 million people will be infected!
We also know the death rate is 1% because we've totally been keeping accurate records since this started and we totally trust what China is saying. Thus, that means 7.5 MILLION PEOPLE WILL DIE!!!!!!

Of course the above is absurd but if you listen closely to your politicians or your news, this is how their logic goes and they don't even give you the courtesy of telling you how they came to know those numbers like I did.

If you can't see the "leaps in logic" of our "leaders" then God help us all.

We know what we don't know with respect to these models. This is why the models have error bars.

The models don't matter, it's the perception of them.
I'm not saying Covid-19 is not a serious and real threat, I am saying that people's perspectives and perceptions of the threat are different across the world and that no person's particular perspective is better, morally speaking, than another persons.

Please relax and act on your personal perspectives and perceptions. This is the essence of a free and healthy society.

Tradiban wrote: Epidemiology is not a "problem", it's a branch of medical science. Epidemiology studies viruses, of which Covid is new. All of it's facets are not yet known.

You’re confusing microbiology and epidemiology. Epidemiology studies the factors related to disease, which have been thoroughly studied and modeled.

Stay home.

Cosmiccragsman AKA Dwain wrote:

You are being nominated for an award...

Gumby the Younger wrote:

Exactly, you read that,  jackasses stay home, the rest can carry on.

You misread that.
The jackasses are the ones not staying home.

SinRopa wrote:

The moral of the story is that there are a lot of gullible people out there who fall for every hoax on the internet, and we probably shouldn't be taking advice from them either.

"The picture actually dates from 1958, during the Algerian War...depicts a starving donkey that was rescued by a member of the French Foreign Legion who carried it back to his base, where the animal was nursed back to health..."

Source: snopes.com/fact-check/soldi…

Lol, nursed back to health and then eaten!

https://twitter.com/i/status/1246877544114032640

Alexander Blum wrote: I think the kickback against everything closing down is a byproduct of rapidly shifting federal messaging and an absolute mish-mash of state-level policies, but fair enough. His attitude just drives me nuts. I agree with your point about 'pacing oneself'.

well that wasn't the response i was expecting.  ha ha.   :)

man, i read these posts and one week into it people are publishing a diary about how they have been crying every day, etc.  jesus, they are going to have to htfu or they aren't going to make it.

slim wrote:

well that wasn't the response i was expecting.  ha ha.   :)

man, i read these posts and one week into it people are publishing a diary about how they have been crying every day, etc.  jesus, they are going to have to htfu or they aren't going to make it.

Ha! Thanks. I don't feel like I have any hard line or fringe opinions about this. I just think that this is serious, millions of people around the world will probably die from it, and our individual actions have consequences that we should consider in this context. 

I don't think that this means don't go outside, don't exercise, don't climb. I do think this means be thoughtful about your decisions if you do choose to do these things, and understand that specific choices could put yourself or others at risk of death. No human being is an island and this pandemic should make that blindingly obvious - but it doesn't seem to be doing that for many.

SinRopa wrote:

The moral of the story is that there are a lot of gullible people out there who fall for every hoax on the internet, and we probably shouldn't be taking advice from them either.

"The picture actually dates from 1958, during the Algerian War...depicts a starving donkey that was rescued by a member of the French Foreign Legion who carried it back to his base, where the animal was nursed back to health..."

Source: snopes.com/fact-check/soldi…

Is there some way to give this one million likes? 

Other than being jerks to each other and pounding the keyboard, anyone have recommendations or favorite routines to stay sharp while stuck at home? Do you hang board, canvas, use rockrings, have a home wall you can post pictures of? Anything fun and uplifting you can share?

SinRopa wrote:

The moral of the story is that there are a lot of gullible people out there who fall for every hoax on the internet, and we probably shouldn't be taking advice from them either.

"The picture actually dates from 1958, during the Algerian War...depicts a starving donkey that was rescued by a member of the French Foreign Legion who carried it back to his base, where the animal was nursed back to health..."

Source: snopes.com/fact-check/soldi…

You understand what an analogy is, right? The true source of the photo does not undercut the argument in the photo’s caption.  

Alexander Blum wrote:

Ha! Thanks. I don't feel like I have any hard line or fringe opinions about this. I just think that this is serious, millions of people around the world will probably die from it, and our individual actions have consequences that we should consider in this context. 

I don't think that this means don't go outside, don't exercise, don't climb. I do think this means be thoughtful about your decisions if you do choose to do these things, and understand that specific choices could put yourself or others at risk of death. No human being is an island and this pandemic should make that blindingly obvious - but it doesn't seem to be doing that for many.

This is really sums it up. If we are thoughtful and responsible during these trying times we don't have to stay cooped up in the house all day. 

b Heliker wrote: Other than being jerks to each other and pounding the keyboard, anyone have recommendations or favorite routines to stay sharp while stuck at home? Do you hang board, canvas, use rockrings, have a home wall you can post pictures of? Anything fun and uplifting you can share?

I found a rock fence/wall that  I can traverse on near where I live. So far no one complained... Not all wall are ideal but this one has enough features to work

Cosmiccragsman AKA Dwain wrote:

So dangerous for jackasses to wonder...

x15x15 wrote: This is So Cal. There are no empty rocks in this area that houses close to 24,000,000 people. Except for the ones I've been climbing the last 20 years...

Tangent: I’m not really sure what you mean but there are lifetimes upon lifetimes of unclimbed rock in California