More Tensleep Drama

caesar.salad wrote:

yeah totally good people on both sides uh huh ok

So does that mean you like asshats and find them good? I mean, I don't associate asshats with good people, but I am not nearly as obtuse as yourself. 

jesus dude you seem angry

JNE wrote:

Quick question: Are you staying at Louies rock ranch? If so, what kind of agreements are expected from you in order to be welcome there? Of those agreements, which do you hold to be true, and which do you agree to just to get along?

Also, do you possibly think that the people saying they don't like seeing the chopped routes and padlocks might be placing the blame for that on Louie? In other words, do you think there is possibly a strong consensus that the actions which really need to be addressed are Louies actions, and his actions alone, and that therefore a blanket bolting ban as opposed to an individual fine is taking things a bit too far?

Not staying at the rock ranch.  I go there to shower and drop off recycling.  Pretty empty except for weekends.  Actually the whole canyon is pretty empty compared to when I've been here in June-July.

And yes, it seems that everyone is saying it's Louie's fault for the ban.  However, too play devil's advocate, it was the crew that chopped bolts over the 4th of July weekend who got the forest service involved. I've seen and talked to a forest service ranger at power wall the other day.  He was asking everyone for their opinion on this. I've definitely never seen a ranger in the canyon before. 

Jack Quarless wrote: As*hats, everyone of you, who thinks this is a new conversation and needs to be hashed out. This has been going on since the beginning and there is no consensus. Just a bunch of whiny as***ts who can't play well with others, and who are willing to risk everyone's future  so they can have their way. That's on both sides of the a******t equation BTW. If you a******s ever grow up,  you might start seeing the various shades and understand how to paint. Until then, if you think this is a black and white issue, and that one side is righteous and the others evil,  you are currently stuck with your head wearing your ass as a hat.

I can't disagree and your words are true but they are too polorizing. It's difficult to imagine that the Ten Sleep community couldn't and wouldn't work it out as a group among themselves.  I've seen similar around here, people get angry and stop talking and it simply doesn't work well to achive a positive outcome. This would be exhibit A. I think I have Exhibit B, C and D here and I have my own asshattery to work on as well. 

Take care all.

Ha ha, "the Tensleep community" ... Locals dont climb in Tensleep, all out of towners.

m Mobes wrote: Ha ha, "the Tensleep community" ... Locals dont climb in Tensleep, all out of towners.

There is a difference between locals and community. Clearly you haven't spent much time there.......(and no I'm not talking about the RR groupies)

Mees wrote: there are a few regulars there but i wouldn't call it a community , considering 1/2 of the regulars hate the other 1/2 of the regulars.  I think there is at least one local climber in Ten Sleep but i don't think i've read one word from her about all of this.  She 's smart and has better things to do w/ her time probably and is letting all the armchair experts etc figure out this hot mess

If you are referring to TS local then yes Ali is the probably the only one now, however, she was/is involved with someone who has their own manufacturing controversies which may also be a contributing factor....Also, I have met up with the same 15-20 people every summer for a decade now, to say it's not a community is pretty naive. The community is now just 2 smaller parts  . I can also venture a guess that you were never eating chicken patties at the boulder site during the 4th of july while a Charlie played behind an ol' bonfire. 

Yea, the community is actually a community of Boulderites who don't like the steep sickness of Rifle, duh. Ali's not responding because this thread is for losers who like to hear themselves talk. Yes that means me.

Nick Goldsmith wrote: Hate to have to say this  but a bolting  ban  was inevitable  if you bring these  kinds of  problems to the  attention of the forest  service.  This is  precisely what I  told the  guy who announced that he was  going to  complain to the forest service  several  months ago.. 

You're dead wrong about all the above. 

The Forest Service was already aware of all of this, which is why they had already hired two climbing rangers and begun the process of implementing a climbing management plan. 
And yes they have been reading this thread.

Wow. More First World Problems.

In reality:

This has been the greatest publicity that Ten Sleep, WY, could ever dream of.  

Wyoming is losing population. Coal is dying. People are rolling up the sidewalks. Horses are leaving one-horse towns.

Wyoming needs more publicity. More exposure. More drama.

Just look at that sadsack picture. I'd need meth just to make it through downtown.

Bolt the whole place with Via Ferrata routes. Bring in the taco shacks and pizza parlors.

Make the mini-series.

Get bullets flying.

Best thing ever for Ten Sleep's Bighorns.

If the one horse leaves the one-horse town, is it the mules or goats that take over?

Redyns wrote: If the one horse leaves the one-horse town, is it the mules or goats that take over?

thats a stoopit question........

I did not see this posted yet on MP, so forgive me if this is old news.  From the Bighorn Climber's Coalition website, "the rock climbing areas known as Funky Town and Trump Tower, along with their respective trails, are no longer open to climbing or travel."

BOOM!

Now THAT'S sending a message!

Brilliant. Just wait until they decide that crags such as Slavery and FCR have also been manufactured/chopped, and the USFS bans all access to those also. Keep in mind that you cannot even hike up to crags mentioned in the release, or you’d  be trespassing. 

Just because I like to read things for myself.  It’s on the front page.

https://bighornclimbers.org/

Play stupid games win stupid prizes.

Hapless ethical warriors to the rescue!!! I am currently starting a campaign against cams in the Utah desert as they are tearing up the cracks and it's ugly. I am recommending that no one should be able to place removable gear as it frequently causes irreparable damage to a precious resource.

Sound ridiculous? It is. And so is any ethical argument about climbing to the non climber. Thank god we have the federal government to solve this for us, they hav such a good history of mediating  these sort of esoteric ethical issues.

All hail anyone involved in this spurt climbing clusterfuck of climbing?

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