More Tensleep Drama

Who gives a shit if you stay there?

The issue is how climbers are precieved and how that affects access. If some bum moves in and doesn't take care of his land and brings all his dirtbag friends to shit in your canyon and starts manufacturing routes he is going to piss everyone off, just like he did in socal. Bravo

Fehim Hasecic wrote:

I feel you, not manicured campgrounds are the worst. If the grass is taller then 2” I’m not staying there

Y’all are getting way worked up over this   

Just pointing out the locals dislike his actions just as much as a lot of climbers, the rock ranch is one of the biggest reflections of climbers in the locals eyes. So if they don’t like the RR they associate that with most, if not all, climbers in canyon. 

Jon W wrote:

Bullshit huh....You're showing your ignorance on the the subject. You are basing some of your self-righteous-indignation on something you know nothing about.  You took it upon yourself to be judge and jury, cutting the majority (BCC was acting but not as quickly as you wanted) out of the process, to do something that was mostly an act of self-gratification (vigilantism). In doing so,  you're no better than Louie.  It's fucking rock climbing and it's only esoteric entertainment. It's not like your's or louies actions are doing anything that makes a difference in the grand scheme of things. Someday all these cliffs will erode, be mined for gravel or minerals or blow up with the yellowstone volcano and all of what you all are arguing over will be gone and forgotten, like it and the rest of us never existed.

And there is humor in that....

Just saw a 5 lb hand held sandblaster on Amazon. But the point is that I've climbed the routes. If the cracks weren't sandblasted then I have no other explanation for how they got so deeply and smoothly polished. There are 0 tensleep cracks that are like the ones that got altered. You have to go up and climb one before you can truly understand or comment on it.

J T wrote:

If anyone actually believed Louie sandblasted anything in TS them I’m not sure they are worth having an intelligent conversation.  

Well he definitely smoothed on the deep interior of cracks and heavily altered cracks. It seems like a hand held sandblaster would be the easiest way to do what he did. But if he greased/smoothed/altered up all those cracks in some way other than sandblasting, but achieved the exact same result, I don't really see the difference. 

I've climbed the cracks that he altered at funky town. It seemed like sandblasting to me. If it wasn't then he used maybe an electric sander? I don't think he could of hand sanded them down to that smooth or gotten that deep in the crack. Go up and climb those routes and tell me what you think he did to them to ruin them in that way.

I was just thinking about Refiner's Fire (14b) and realized, maybe Gluey's "every routes should be 5 star" line is just a cover. Maybe he deliberately seeks out routes above his ability to alter. I know it sounds dumb, but I always thought the "chip it down to your level" came somewhat by accident, once someone had put in effort and and realized they couldn't do it. But I never realized some people might despise routes above their ability even existing, so they rush in to make a wall of 5.11's to save their ego from hearing about all the rad 5.13s they can't climb. It kind of makes sense given his experience with Refiner's Fire: he has HAD to be the best ever since he "did" Refiner's Fire.

And you love thinking about him making new holes with his hard throbbing drill and reaming out cracks.

Honestly forgot Refiner's Fire bullshit was Gluey, but I hate liars and that story pissed me off when I first heard it and didn't even know what 5.11 meant. I hate people who manufacture routes. I hate people who insist they are the best (hold shaper, setter, route manufacturer, whatever) when they clearly are not. And most of all, I hate people who destroy our shared resources and threaten access for everyone else. O, and I hate people who refuse to appologize or change when they are called out on that bullshit.

So yes, I guess I do hate Gluey, or more accurately I hate most of what he does, says, and stands for.

caughtinside wrote:

Not really. 

I get it though, you really, really don’t like Louie, and lie awake at night thinking about how much you hate him. Which of course means you are in love with him. 

Rage boners, everywhere!

Filled to the brim. What can I say, lotta hateable people out there.

Self-involved, self-entitled assholes bring hate on themselves. Much deserved in this case!

Anderson has few local friends but those he has he cultivates,  makes business partners, creates and fills the local advisory non profits with them and expects to gain from their influence, keeping it quiet, while he tries to build a personal profit center out of public land, all while destroying it.

​​​​​This is the biggest problem faced by the intermountain west ...keeping public lands intact and protected from private monetizing.

Lame chuffers,  trying to excuse it, deny it, gaslight anyone concerned,  throw diversions and generally mouth off just to hear yourself.  Oh well I guess nothing new for mp

Maureen Maguire wrote: Anderson has few local friends but those he has he cultivates,  makes business partners, creates and fills the local advisory non profits with them and expects to gain from their influence, keeping it quiet, while he tries to build a personal profit center out of public land, all while destroying it.

This is the biggest problem faced by the intermountain west ...keeping public lands intact and protected from private monetizing.

Lame chuffers,  trying to excuse it, deny it, gaslight anyone concerned,  throw diversions and generally mouth off just to hear yourself.  Oh well I guess nothing new for mp

+1

Maureen Maguire wrote: Anderson has few local friends but those he has he cultivates,  makes business partners, creates and fills the local advisory non profits with them and expects to gain from their influence, keeping it quiet, while he tries to build a personal profit center out of public land, all while destroying it.

This is the biggest problem faced by the intermountain west ...keeping public lands intact and protected from private monetizing.

Lame chuffers,  trying to excuse it, deny it, gaslight anyone concerned,  throw diversions and generally mouth off just to hear yourself.  Oh well I guess nothing new for mp

Welcome to the club Maureen, you are now one of us   

J T wrote:

TS was gaining popularity rapidly before the rock ranch. The only positive thing Louie has done in TS in my eyes is create a location to disperse crowds (while it may bring more people to the canyon overall, I appreciate that the RR spreads them out and not everywhere is tearing apart the dispersed camping areas higher up)

With that said, the RR is also stirring up controversy amongst locals (not climbers) due to their perceived idea that this property is not being kept up to previous owners standards, and I can’t say I disagree That is to say, Louie is letting grass overgrow, not watering the apple orchard, amongst other things locals expect out of that property. 

I hope they don't see the inside of the shower rooms or the general state of the bathroom.

I mean honestly, deep down, with every ounce of my tiny black heart, I hate to see someone fail. But Gluey has been fucking up for a LONG time and is clueless and is unwilling/unable to put his ego aside and change his evil ways. So fukim.

Slim Vincent wrote:

I hope they don't see the inside of the shower rooms or the general state of the bathroom.

You mean the one that Is suspiciously up to code somehow for a “business”?! Like I’m genuinely curious how those two were ever able to meet code/pass inspection for the amount of literal shit that goes through there. 

Maureen Maguire wrote: Anderson has few local friends but those he has he cultivates,  makes business partners, creates and fills the local advisory non profits with them and expects to gain from their influence, keeping it quiet, while he tries to build a personal profit center out of public land, all while destroying it.

This is the biggest problem faced by the intermountain west ...keeping public lands intact and protected from private monetizing.

Lame chuffers,  trying to excuse it, deny it, gaslight anyone concerned,  throw diversions and generally mouth off just to hear yourself.  Oh well I guess nothing new for mp

I've never met you, but I like you. Well said.

Kalous (and that other guy) has words:

https://runoutpodcast.com/index.php/2019/08/06/runout-28-climbers-vs-the-man/​​​

Yes, the FS does need to know about it. Their job is NOT to protect, it is to manage. They are not a conservation agency, they are a land management agency. The FS works productively with climbers in many areas. Sounds like they are even planning on hiring a climbing ranger at 10z.

If the Access Fund is as legit as they claim, they will be taken seriously and the resource will be managed. Obviously that means stopping people like Gluey, which should have happened long ago. 20 years ago mtn bikers were not a legit group, now the FS HELPS them build wicked trails.

If yall would stop pretending yer still in some kind of antisocial fringe user group and start working with managers you might actually get some shit done. But climbers vs. The Man fits your narrative too well.

I know 10 FS higher ups (GS-11 and higher) that certainly could. Some of them climb 5.13 and are well aware of what goes in to putting up routes. And any dumass can tell what Gluey did was bullshit.