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Really? We can't talk about where gear is manufactured?
Khoi wrote: Oh my gear was Metolius or made in the EU (DMM, CAMP, Mammut, Wild Country & Petzl). |
Khoi wrote: No more Hoodwire tech - so they've removed "keylock" wire biners from their lineup? What were your impressions of the new lineup? Anything worth holding out for? |
Khoi wrote: Thanks, I was generally very curious. As far as I know Via Ferrata gear isnt assembled in the states. I might be wrong? I never saw it but then again I never worked in the area where they might be made. Most of our sewing isn't done in the USA anyways, so the runners as well weren't, I believe, an issue of things being brought back to the US for manufacturing from Asia. Were ascenders ever assembled in asia? or were they always assembled in USA? Unsure of that one, like I said I only began in 2016 so... |
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I don't have a problem with some nationalism. It's ok to give preferential treatment to your family, friends, countrymen, then the rest of the world. In that order. Like it or not we all benefit from a strong US economy. Let's support it whenever possible. |
Peter Blank wrote: I don't have a problem with some nationalism. Thats all I needed to hear. |
Tammy Gueterman wrote: Last I heard, Toyota was manufacturing in the US, and therefore would not be subject to tariffs. The reason? Automation. Their plants are automated to the point that the higher labor costs in the US aren't a big concern, and shipping/tariffs are actually larger concerns. This happened before Trump-era tariffs were even a concern--I can only imagine they've automated even more now and are employing fewer workers. At a certain scale, moving production back to the US doesn't mean employing more Americans. I'm pretty sure that climbing gear isn't being produced at that scale yet, though. |
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The reddit thread, that someone posted to MP elsewhere, has a really interesting discussion about where climbing gear is made, plus a few lists and subthreads re. various gear manufacturers. The BD story is just a sidenote, AFAIC.... |
TerryE wrote: The reddit thread, that someone posted to MP elsewhere, has a really interesting discussion about where climbing gear is made, plus a few lists and subthreads re. various gear manufacturers. The BD story is just a sidenote, AFAIC.... Thanks. Very informative, especially the detail of where Mammut manufactures their gear (nothing in US though). It would be good to see this level of detail from other gear manufacturers. The info on Arc'teryx LEAF gear is all "Made in Canada" is incorrect. I've seen Atom LT LEAF jackets with "Made in Bangladesh" like their regular Atom LT jackets. |
Hson P wrote: Your joke though good would have been better as the simpliat foxconnsin |
TenTon Kodiak wrote: There will be no snag-free wiregate biners in BD's 2020 lineup. I miss the Hoodwire Oz already! |
coldfinger wrote: Are you sure about that? When did you buy that gear? At present: - A significant amount of C.A.M.P. hardware is made in China, and Taiwan, and Korea. - Some Mammut hardware is made in China and Taiwan |
Locker wrote: Fixed |
Locker wrote: Only if you think Taiwan = China..... |
Khoi wrote: Well.... China thinks Taiwan is China. amirite! |
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Hell, Taiwan thinks Taiwan is China, just a different China than China thinks Taiwan is. Try to keep up. |
jdejace wrote: I'm not a big nationalist or bumper sticker patriot but I try to support US/Euro manufacturing because labor conditions are less likely to be abhorrent. Which is different than seeking out US made gear specifically, I have no strong preference in that regard. Obviously I'm privileged to be able to (sometimes) pay more to make myself feel better, but certainly a lot of the Sprinter crowd mentioned several times in this thread could also afford it if they cared. Interesting thread, some reasonable things were said and some ridiculous things said. Yeah, I'm late but I may have something worthwhile to add. My job is nothing but spreading awareness on American made outdoor gear as I founded and edit www.AmericanGearGuide.com Practically all of my gear including climbing gear is American made. It seems many people don't realize how much good quality gear is still made in the States. There are plenty of logical reasons to buy American made gear that have nothing to do with the fearful ignorance of xenophobia, racism, or jingoism. Besides, the USA is arguably one of the most ethnically diverse countries on Earth and you can practically guarantee that an immigrant is at least partly responsible for making your American made product (and we're all the ancestors of immigrants). America's diversity is in my opinion one of the primary reasons for America's creativity and ingenuity (not saying other countries aren't). When I passed through Germany's Frankfurt International Airport last year I noticed a big billboard touting a product as "made in the EU." Why shouldn't Europeans be proud of their gear, Koreans proud of theirs, Italians, Japanese, African countries, Taiwanese, etc.? Regardless of where you're from why wouldn't you take some satisfaction in gear made closer to home, more directly supporting your community, with fairer wages, by companies that care about their employees' careers, and better labor and environmental standards? If you doubt that most low paying countries don't suffer from low labor and environmental standards and a lack of enforcement and factory whistleblower safeguards then simply google it. Also, it's interesting to me that big brands that outsource manufacturing to the lowest paying countries most often don't pass the savings to their customers, instead maximizing profit and paying it out to their corporate executives and shareholders. Otherwise, why would a piece of gear made in China sell for the same $300 as a similar quality item made in the USA? When it comes down to it, I've simply done the research and know that I have comparable options on lots of gear. So between an item made in the USA and one made elsewhere with questionable human and environmental safeguards, the decision is easy. I've given it some thought and I personally like to support American made gear. |
AmericanGearGuide wrote: Thanks for the worthwhile add to the thread and putting up this website! Very useful information on US Made Gear all in one place! I think you should also add Reviews of some of these US Made Gear that you use and how they compare to similar gear from other Brands that pride themselves on human and environmental safeguards, based on discussions with the people you climb with that use these other Brands. |
AmericanGearGuide wrote: Also, it's interesting to me that big brands that outsource manufacturing to the lowest paying countries most often don't pass the savings to their customers, instead maximizing profit and paying it out to their corporate executives and shareholders. Otherwise, why would a piece of gear made in China sell for the same $300 as a similar quality item made in the USA? It's rather simple - a corporation that has shareholders has a primary fiduciary responsibility to those shareholders, not a responsibility to pass on manufacturing savings to the customer base. |
Marc801 C wrote: Exactly. So you pay more than the actual value of the product while rewarding companies for screwing their career employees to exploit low labor and environmental standards thereby increasing profit for shareholders and execs. This is why the top 1% own 45% of the world's wealth. So the question becomes, why should we reward them? |
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American gear guide your rather ill-informed if you think people's wages are the reasons why they move the manufacturing abroad, especially China. |
